[Wwen]

Unlimited budget I'd be looking at a maxel transformer 50 2sp

Limited budget...perhaps that Omoto triple 12NII

Have you tried the Omoto triple 12 series? It seems to good to be true? I am always skpetical of things like that. I saw the Alan Tani review but even then I don't know that is just one man's opinion. Also has anyone tried the Canyon Jigging reels they seem to be a good deal.

I think I'll probably get the Penn Torque 2 Speed though because it seems like a safe choice.

 

[Tunanorth]

The OP's original choices cover a large span of price ranges.
In addition to the mentioned Penn Torque TRQ series reels [both 25N and 40N sizes have pros and cons], there is also the Penn Fathom 2-speed series that will be out in a few weeks.
Diecast metal frame vs. machined for the TRQ's, fewer bearings, and not US-made, the price is amazing for what you do get, including a "thrust bearing" to minimize sideload.
Depending on size, $279-$299 retail; or even less if you ultimately decide a single-speed will do it for you..

 

[Icy Joe]

As Garriga and johndtuttle alluded to (hate to sound sexist) just like a woman, tall and narrow with bumps in the right place is better than wide and wobbly!

 

[MrBill]

My favorite Jigging Reels:

Two Speed. Accurate 600nn
Single speed. Shimano Trinidad 40N

 

[johndtuttle]

Have you tried the Omoto triple 12 series? It seems to good to be true? I am always skpetical of things like that. I saw the Alan Tani review but even then I don't know that is just one man's opinion. Also has anyone tried the Canyon Jigging reels they seem to be a good deal.

I think I'll probably get the Penn Torque 2 Speed though because it seems like a safe choice.

I hate to be a naysayer but when it comes to "value" it is more than price. It is also service and support...for decades.

Anyone is welcome to "take a flyer" on a new company but a reel you can count on is not an EBay special from Taiwan. Parts, Service, Warranty? All gigantic question marks.

Stick to totally established companies that will stand behind their product no matter what. Penn and Shimano top this list.

 

[Wwen]

Unlimited budget I'd be looking at a maxel transformer 50 2sp

Limited budget...perhaps that Omoto triple 12NII

Where can you buy a Maxel Transformer 50 2sp? I have never heard of it? Is it reliable company?
edit: just looked it up. So are they the samething as jigging masters?

 

[Wwen]

I hate to be a naysayer but when it comes to "value" it is more than price. It is also service and support...for decades.

Anyone is welcome to "take a flyer" on a new company but a reel you can count on is not an EBay special from Taiwan. Parts, Service, Warranty? All gigantic question marks.

Stick to totally established companies that will stand behind their product no matter what. Penn and Shimano top this list.

Yeah that is what my stepdad is saying. He says that he'd rather pay more for a reputable company than end up getting a junk product from a sketchy company.

Talking about reputable companies. Have you heard of Maxell? Is this a legitimate, established company? I am still very new to fishing so perhaps I just haven't heard of it.

edit: is it true that Maxell are the JIgging Masters in disguise? If so then it seems like Maxell is a real bargain...perhaps too good to be true?

 

[johndtuttle]

Yeah that is what my stepdad is saying. He says that he'd rather pay more for a reputable company than end up getting a junk product from a sketchy company.

Talking about reputable companies. Have you heard of Maxell? Is this a legitimate, established company? I am still very new to fishing so perhaps I just haven't heard of it.

edit: is it true that Maxell are the JIgging Masters in disguise? If so then it seems like Maxell is a real bargain...perhaps too good to be true?

Maxell is an overseas factory that no one heard of until recently and that has some sketchy relationship to JM that is never clear. The designs are exactly the same, but no one knows anything about the part quality or what may be changed. Maxel sells exclusively on ebay...and maybe sometimes here...hard to tell.

Parts, warranty, repair? No one has any idea. This should be a huge red flag regardless if someone tells you they "love the reel". Buyer beware.

There is no free lunch. If it seems to good to be true, it is. Even JM is a new player that the jury is out on, long term.

If you have a problem with a reel that costs hundreds of dollars you want a company with deep pockets that is going nowhere and knows that the value of their established brand is worth MILLIONS and fixing problems reliably and quickly is how to protect that.

Shimano and Penn and Okuma spare no expense to make things right if a reel has a problem. These random Chinese companies are one bad batch of gears away from folding up and disappearing overnight.

 

[bnz]

Whoa John! You can buy Maxel reels at places like JandH and tackle direct. They come with a five year warranty. I have had no problems with my OSL09 at all and as mentioned in my previous post have had no problems reeling up fish from 500'-800'. The reel has plenty of power. The link I posted is one where Big Ariel is selling them at a price lower than the other reels being talked about here. As a matter of fact I'd highly recommend it for Wwen. You can jig with it, bait fish with it, and cast with it. The two speeds are not necessary with this one just as they aren't with JM reels. Money well spent, especially since he is young and just starting out. I've no problems with any of the other reels mentioned here as they are all good reels, it's just that this one is closer to his budget and is a good reel also.

 

[Get'n Jiggy]

Just want to throw this out there and see if any other reel manufactures do this besides Accurate. Accurate upgrades existing reels so your not investing in new reels every time they come out with something better/new. For example I bought a 870-2sp then the BX series comes out so Accutate put the new BX2 side plate on for a small fee. Was awesome! Then the dawgs hit, they took that same reel put the dawg side plate on, pressed in a new shielded AR bearing (thanks for that recommendation johnTuttle) for a small fee and BAM a new badazz dawgs reel. How cool is that

I'm not familiar with any other manufactures beside the two Made in USA company's. So I would be interested to know who else offers this kinda reel upgrade service besides Accurate.

 

[landlocked]

you can buy maxel at saltywater tackle too and pretty sure they tested them extensively before starting to sell them. JM is a couple guys out of a temporary office having equipment contract manufactured for them, though they did make it to the bigtime and have some proven gear, it's the same business model as canyon reels or OTI, meaning you don't know when they will pack up and disappear, switch owners, etc. That's all fine if the price reflects it or the gear performance / lack of alternatives justifies it, but that photo of the early JM reel with the word Maxel on it is not going to disappear

 

[chumboy]

Maxell is an overseas factory that no one heard of until recently and that has some sketchy relationship to JM that is never clear. The designs are exactly the same, but no one knows anything about the part quality or what may be changed. Maxel sells exclusively on ebay...and maybe sometimes here...hard to tell.

Parts, warranty, repair? No one has any idea. This should be a huge red flag regardless if someone tells you they "love the reel". Buyer beware.

There is no free lunch. If it seems to good to be true, it is. Even JM is a new player that the jury is out on, long term.

If you have a problem with a reel that costs hundreds of dollars you want a company with deep pockets that is going nowhere and knows that the value of their established brand is worth MILLIONS and fixing problems reliably and quickly is how to protect that.

Shimano and Penn and Okuma spare no expense to make things right if a reel has a problem. These random Chinese companies are one bad batch of gears away from folding up and disappearing overnight.

Another great point John.

 

[GARRIGA]

I don't mind buying Chinese rods, jigs and hooks but I draw the line at mechanical components unless backed by a reputable company such as Penn. Still prefer their US made product and willing to pay the premium.

 

[chumboy]

Whoa John! You can buy Maxel reels at places like JandH and tackle direct. They come with a five year warranty. I have had no problems with my OSL09 at all and as mentioned in my previous post have had no problems reeling up fish from 500'-800'. The reel has plenty of power. The link I posted is one where Big Ariel is selling them at a price lower than the other reels being talked about here. As a matter of fact I'd highly recommend it for Wwen. You can jig with it, bait fish with it, and cast with it. The two speeds are not necessary with this one just as they aren't with JM reels. Money well spent, especially since he is young and just starting out. I've no problems with any of the other reels mentioned here as they are all good reels, it's just that this one is closer to his budget and is a good reel also.

Sorry to burst your chops again BZN & with all due respect here , I have to again strongly disagree with you.

You seem to suggest new folks with all this new gear , that has no proven records of a substained day in day out strong reliabililty &
back up support .
No its NOT money well spend , pretty much you're guiding them to waste their $.

Your suggestions are to :

A.- New products in the martket with lilltle to no proven field test , example Lethal 100LT .

B.- Overseas products with no avialable resoruces to find parts or repair centers to take care of that reel in the US , when , if problems surfaces.
Example, where is the US , Maxel has service centers? Nobody here is doubting its performance , but questioning the product service support after the sale , part & repairs .

C.- Concensus opinion based on a one man opinion .

Its awesome that you have suggestions for the new folks venturing this very expensive waters , but at least guide them to safe strike zones to find fish.

Let the pro's with those deep pockets be the guniea pigs for fancy new gear with exotic names.

 

[johndtuttle]

Whoa John! You can buy Maxel reels at places like JandH and tackle direct. They come with a five year warranty. I have had no problems with my OSL09 at all and as mentioned in my previous post have had no problems reeling up fish from 500'-800'. The reel has plenty of power. The link I posted is one where Big Ariel is selling them at a price lower than the other reels being talked about here. As a matter of fact I'd highly recommend it for Wwen. You can jig with it, bait fish with it, and cast with it. The two speeds are not necessary with this one just as they aren't with JM reels. Money well spent, especially since he is young and just starting out. I've no problems with any of the other reels mentioned here as they are all good reels, it's just that this one is closer to his budget and is a good reel also.

Respectfully bnz, and please take this the right way, a "5 year warranty" on a reel that has been out for less than that doesn't mean much.

I'd say call up TD or JandH and ask how they handle warranty issues and repair and where to get a reel serviced bought from ebay and see what information we get. "No problems with my reel" means very little in the context of hundreds sold and telling someone to spend hundreds of dollars for something that has to last years. To my knowledge, there is no Maxel service center in the USA.

Also, there are known issues with the JM design when it comes to abuse of the pinion bearing, this is something you will discover in time. Who is going to replace it for you?

Just because TD and JH have decided to make a quick buck on an unknown it would not be the first time in the Tackle Industry that this has happened... In the vast majority of cases these stories end in people getting stuck with something they cannot get fixed. It's like buying a "Basspro" reel probably. The tiniest thing goes wrong and all they can do is replace the reel because zero service infrastructure is in place. If they have to replace enough reels suddenly *poof* they disappear from the shelves and the seller hopes enough people toss it in the garbage that they make a profit.

Fundamentally, my approach is conservative when I tell people to risk such sums. They get a recommendation from me they can absolutely count on because it is backed by companies they can absolutely count on.

Maxel has a lot to prove in that regard.

 

[Get'n Jiggy]

Anyone?

 

[Get'n Jiggy]

Just want to throw this out there and see if any other reel manufactures do this besides Accurate. Accurate upgrades existing reels so your not investing in new reels every time they come out with something better/new. For example I bought a 870-2sp then the BX series comes out so Accutate put the new BX2 side plate on for a small fee. Was awesome! Then the dawgs hit, they took that same reel put the dawg side plate on, pressed in a new shielded AR bearing (thanks for that recommendation johnTuttle) for a small fee and BAM a new badazz dawgs reel. How cool is that
I'm not familiar with any other manufactures beside the two Made in USA company's. So I would be interested to know who else offers this kinda reel upgrade service besides Accurate.

Anyone answer my question?

 

[johndtuttle]

you can buy maxel at saltywater tackle too and pretty sure they tested them extensively before starting to sell them. JM is a couple guys out of a temporary office having equipment contract manufactured for them, though they did make it to the bigtime and have some proven gear, it's the same business model as canyon reels or OTI, meaning you don't know when they will pack up and disappear, switch owners, etc. That's all fine if the price reflects it or the gear performance / lack of alternatives justifies it, but that photo of the early JM reel with the word Maxel on it is not going to disappear

And I totally trust Sami and Paul. That's not the same as trusting Maxel.

Look at it this way:

Maxel has totally ****ed JM who probably had their reel originally built in their factory paying them tens of thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars.

How do you think they are going to treat you or Sami and Paul?

 

[johndtuttle]

Just want to throw this out there and see if any other reel manufactures do this besides Accurate. Accurate upgrades existing reels so your not investing in new reels every time they come out with something better/new. For example I bought a 870-2sp then the BX series comes out so Accutate put the new BX2 side plate on for a small fee. Was awesome! Then the dawgs hit, they took that same reel put the dawg side plate on, pressed in a new shielded AR bearing (thanks for that recommendation johnTuttle) for a small fee and BAM a new badazz dawgs reel. How cool is that

I'm not familiar with any other manufactures beside the two Made in USA company's. So I would be interested to know who else offers this kinda reel upgrade service besides Accurate.

Penn also has a history of upgrading people's reels when necessary. Avet too.

The common denominator here is a USA manufacturing facility that can modify existing reels. In all these other cases the reel would have to go to China...um, erm...not gonna happen .

 

[chumboy]

This quote from John.

"Fundamentally, my approach is conservative when I tell people to risk such sums. They get a recommendation from me they can absolutely count on because it is backed by companies they can absolutely count on"



Buy products that can be fixed , serviced , exchange OR refund here in the US....leave EXOTIC names , as an Overseas vacation.