van stall 200 for popping tuna?

Discussion in 'Reels' started by mike garone, Oct 6, 2007.

  1. mike garone

    mike garone Well-Known Member

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    I am thinking about building a tuna popping rod. I have a van staal 200 w/o the bail. Do you think this reel is capable of handling school tuna? I would load it with 50lb braid.
     
  2. Bazztex

    Bazztex Senior Member

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    Mike

    For most Topwater Tuna applications you'll need a 7ft 50# class rod 20-25# of drag and 400yds of 65# braid
    to assure you don't get spooled if a big YFT hits and can boat the normal schooler sized fish quickly.
    Most of our fishing is done on private charters with 15 to 40 folks fishing and we need to control our
    fish to avoid tangles.

    Also when you drift the floaters everyone on the boat has to wait untill the last fish is landed before the
    boat can go back to the rig for another drift.
    Light tackle is a pain for everyone else waiting to fish in that situation.

    Remember 100# plus YFT also travel in schools.. I have had some YFT on that exceeded 150#+ (est)
    I never slowed down until they went over 1300ft straight down and pulled the hooks!

    That's why most folks use a spinner rated for 300yds of 30# Mono... you can load up to 500yds
    of 65# braid for running room.

    With that in mind you need a VS 275 or 300 to get the line capacity to handle a large YFT.
    You could load the 200 up with 80# braid and Jig fish with 30# of drag on a 400-600 gram class jig rod and be fairly safe if a large fish hits.

    If you are fishing from a private boat where you don't have a lot of lines in the water to tangle and can
    maneuver the boat to gain an advantage on larger fish or just want a longer fight the 50# braid at 16# of drag will do. :)

    Bazz
     

  3. paul708

    paul708 Site Sponsor

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    you shold be ok for school tuna..give a lookat at the GUSA blanks..there are a few GOOD choices for poppers, light power..you know GUSA:D
     
  4. jedi243

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    A VS200 would work fine. Since the start up drag is smoother than alot of the others you can run 20-22 lbs of drag on 50lb braid just make sure your knots are tied properly. I use a VS250 with 50 braid and I know the drags are the same between the 2 so you should have no problem. For schoolies you should be fine and even if you do get into a bigger model it may take a while but any fight less than an hour on 100+ pound fish is not bad.
     
  5. HookedEm

    HookedEm Junior member

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    Okay, for those of us who aren't willing to pony up the $700+ for these reels, do you suggest a more wallet friendly spinning reel?
     
  6. jedi243

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    Penn will be releasing a slammer 960 shortly which is a bit tougher than the SS series but still should be around the $200 dollar price point. They also have an entry into the high end spinning gear coming out later this year. Penn rep said they are shooting for the $500 price point and said it is a cross between a van staal and a saltiga feature wise. What that means is anybodies guess.
     
  7. SkeeterRonnie

    SkeeterRonnie Senior Member

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    shimano spheros 14000FA with upgraded carbon fiber drags from SMOoOTH DRAG *** Can Stop Anything *** !! around $130 total without braid.... 22-23# of fishable drag....... makes this "poor boy" proud!!!
     
  8. SkeeterRonnie

    SkeeterRonnie Senior Member

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    AND for another couple hundred, you can mount it on an OTI spinning rod and have ONE HECK OF A "POOR BOY" combo... that will hold its own next to those "bling bling" fisherman....
     
  9. tunacrazy

    tunacrazy Senior Member

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    A big Amen for the OTI 7' popping rod, this is a bad to the bone rod. This rod has what it takes to handle fish 60 to 80lbs with ease and to 100lbs and little more if need be. bigger fish may take a little longer, but very much capable. I was amazed at how quickly these rod would bring these fish to color. Enough backbone to keep the fishes head point up when it was in the "death circle", loved the rod, will own others. Bruce
     
  10. SpecialK

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    THis may be a dumb question... How does the VS keep the line reeling without a bail?
     
  11. Minnow

    Minnow Administrator

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    use your index finger to guide your line to the roller, you have to get use to it.

    Not for beginner especially using braided line, you might loose a finger.JMO
     
  12. SpecialK

    SpecialK Super Moderator

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    So does it ever come out of the roller after its put there?
     
  13. Minnow

    Minnow Administrator

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    As long as you keep you line tight the line won't come out.
     
  14. HookedEm

    HookedEm Junior member

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    So it looks like I'm going to go with the Cabo 80PTS or the Shimano Spheros 14000 and load it up on an OTI rod (assuming I can get one before next Wednesday!). 65# PP seems to be the consensus too. Want to be able to cast far and I think this is the way to go, although jigging would be nice too. If you guys think I'm crazy please speak up. For the money though it looks like that's a pretty good setup and will get me through a few days (man I hate the crap they have on charter boats)
     
  15. Bazztex

    Bazztex Senior Member

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    The OTI Rod is a YFT Battle proven product..

    If I had to choose between the Cabo and Spheros 14000FA..
    get the Cabo 80 ..it's a smoother reel.

    Nothing wrong with the Spheros ( I have 2) but for a few dollars more the Cabo 80 is a step up the food chain.

    If you can ever swing it.. get you a Stella 20000 FA.. I love mine!

    Bazz
     
  16. HookedEm

    HookedEm Junior member

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    Oh, someday I'll swing the Stella, just had my 2nd kid so the wife isn't crazy about me dropping $$$$ on a once or twice a year gig.
     
  17. HookedEm

    HookedEm Junior member

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    Oh shoot, the OTI rods are sold out and I'm going next week!!! Argh. So what do you guys think about the Bar Bar rods? I've heard that the 10mm eyelet is too small. Gonna be throwing mainly topwaters (Yummee flying fish and a few poppers, maybe a swimbait, and a crainkbait too). The Bar Bar 30-60lb spinner looks like a good one. Any thoughts? I'm running out of time!!!