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I sent an enquiry to Shimano, and was told that the gears inside the Japanese reels are identical to those in the export version sold in the USA, Australia, etc.

They said Barrier gear is the marketing name of the new gears in japan

Paladin is the marketing name for it in USA & Australia

And it is marketed as HDGear (high durability gear) in Europe


He nearly laughed at my suggestion that they would put different gears in export models to the japanese ones :rolleyes:
 

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I sent an enquiry to Shimano, and was told that the gears inside the Japanese reels are identical to those in the export version sold in the USA, Australia, etc.

They said Barrier gear is the marketing name of the new gears in japan

Paladin is the marketing name for it in USA & Australia

And it is marketed as HDGear (high durability gear) in Europe


He nearly laughed at my suggestion that they would put different gears in export models to the japanese ones :rolleyes:

You should have asked him why Shimano USA wont service a JDM reel since there the supposedly the same?

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I sent an enquiry to Shimano, and was told that the gears inside the Japanese reels are identical to those in the export version sold in the USA, Australia, etc.

They said Barrier gear is the marketing name of the new gears in japan

Paladin is the marketing name for it in USA & Australia

And it is marketed as HDGear (high durability gear) in Europe


He nearly laughed at my suggestion that they would put different gears in export models to the japanese ones :rolleyes:

That would mean that I had a SW20KPG with a some issues with the gear or a bad bearing.
 

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Because they want you to buy from them, not Japan.

Shimano doesn't care where there profits come from, just as long as they get them.


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That would mean that I had a SW20KPG with a some issues with the gear or a bad bearing.

Could be. I can't afford one in the near future, but I've been asking around and hearing nothing but excellent feedback on how buttery smooth the reel is, Japanese and international versions.

If you ever open up your reel or see the internals of a Paladin Stella, it should be easy to tell by looking at the gears. If the pinion is made of stainless steel and the drive gear is yellow as in this attached photo, then it would be a definitive proof that international reels have the same JDM gears. Hopefully someone will be brave enough to open his and share the information with us :D
 

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The drive gear is coated and the worm gear the rides under the spool shaft is bigger as well as its shaft in the JDM models. I should have stated they were the 2002-2007 models

Either way there both great reels

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I have both new '08 SW20k, JDM and US version.
From outside only different handle color and JDM had nicer reel bag.
I will open it if I have time, to see what is the different inside.

For the FA model for sure the JDM had different coating on some gear.
 

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I would have opened it up if I still had it. That reel was fatally wounded on the Big E in August before I even made the first cast. The grill broke loose and fell right on top of it. I now have 2 US model and both are buttery smooth.
 

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I have both new '08 SW20k, JDM and US version.
From outside only different handle color and JDM had nicer reel bag.
I will open it if I have time, to see what is the different inside.

For the FA model for sure the JDM had different coating on some gear.

Do you feel any difference is smoothness between the tow versions?

I am not sure about the older stella. I have seen both the FA and the JDM inside and both drive gears had a black coating, and the pinion gear was yellow. Can you explain what you mean by the different coating?

If you go ahead and open up your 08 US SW, you will be doing a great favor for every angler worldwide. I'm not kidding, I've seen endless discussions and people calling each other liars over this subject! If your US reel has a pinion that attracts a magnet and the drive gear is coated with this yellow material, then this subject should go to rest.
 

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Do you feel any difference is smoothness between the tow versions?

If you go ahead and open up your US SW, you will be doing a great favor for every angler worldwide. I'm not kidding, I've seen endless discussions and people calling each other liars over this subject! If your US reel has a pinion that attracts a magnet and the drive gear is coated with this yellow material, then this subject should go to rest.

It won't matter, I am still going to buy a JDM 10000 for the lower gear that's not offered to the Us market

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I would have opened it up if I still had it.

You can still be of a great help if you open one of your US reels and check if the gears are similar to the ones in the photo from the Japanese. Just 2 screws on the rear guard, then 5 on the side cover :p Comeon, you know you want to do it :D
 

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Just 2 screws on the rear guard, then 5 on the side cover :p Comeon, you know you want to do it :D

Not just simple as that !

You have to remove the rotor and then friction ring, to get the side cover off.
Do you know how many parts to remove, just to get the rotor out ?

Anyway is that main gear and pinion gear on the picture from your reel ?
Just curious why you want everyone to open their new reel ?
 

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Not just simple as that !

Anyway is that main gear and pinion gear on the picture from your reel ?
Just curious why you want everyone to open their new reel ?

Nopes, they are from the fishing show stand. Why do I want people to open their reels? I don't know, I'll have to get back to you on this.
 

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Nopes, they are from the fishing show stand. Why do I want people to open their reels? I don't know, I'll have to get back to you on this.
After reading your posting, it sound you're really want to know what's the different inside between JDM and US version.:)

I want to know as well, that's why I get both version.;)
 

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After reading your posting, it sound you're really want to know what's the different inside between JDM and US version.:)

I want to know as well, that's why I get both version.;)

lol :D I want to take the answer, then flag it in my friends' faces next time this US vs JDM discussion comes up, and be the guy who knows all.

Tell you what, if you do it and post us some photos, I'll buy you a beer if I ever cross baths with you :D

Thanks anyway.
 

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looks like he wants proof that the jdm Stella's are not worth the extra money. To me they are,they have the gear ratios that I want

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You can still be of a great help if you open one of your US reels and check if the gears are similar to the ones in the photo from the Japanese. Just 2 screws on the rear guard, then 5 on the side cover :p Comeon, you know you want to do it :D

I'm gonna have to put some miles on it first. I got a trip in a couple of weeks and all I need is a useless 20k because I had to show off and dick around with it.:D
 
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