Spooling problems

Discussion in 'Reels' started by SpecialK, Jan 8, 2008.

  1. SpecialK

    SpecialK Super Moderator

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    So I stupidly let cabelas spool a reel for me since I don't have a spooling station here. They did not get the line near tight enough( Or at least I don't think they did. It is a Penn 6/0 and the braid is digging into the spool at about 25lbs of drag.

    Is there some tricky way of unspooling and respooling tighter at my house? Or is letting line off the back of a boat with a lure of some sort and then reeling it in going to be tight enough?

    Cabelas says they cannot spool the line any tighter. I don't know if I believe that or if it is just easier for them to say they can't.

    Help....
     
  2. lite-liner

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    Kurtis- Here's what I do, although it's pretty redneck, it works.
    Take your spool of line & poke a #2 screwdiver through it, add an old spark
    plug boot for tension & clamp it in your vice for about 10# drag.
    reel it up through your guides. by the time you've got 300y on there,
    you'll be just as tired as if you just boated a 50# tuna, then you'll know it's tight enough. also soak the spool in warm water beforehand.
    in your case, what's already on there has to come off & be re-spooled.
    like it is, your first cast will probably be your last. just let it all out off the back of the boat on the way out to the rigs.
    hope this helps
    -Brian
     

  3. TeamOso

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    but i would NOT attach anything to the line just let it loose of the stern or else u wont be able to 1. reel it back in and 2. proly wont be able to stop it from completely spooling u with that much pressure, good luck iva had same problems with some spinners from academy
     
  4. SkeeterRonnie

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    you can run it off the back of a boat - and then wind it in. has to be off a slower type boat, not the BIG E type speed boats.. :) You will probably need to buy a 50 yd topshot of line, because you will have a lot of spool space left over after you tighten it up
     
  5. SpecialK

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    you can run it off the back of a boat - and then wind it in. has to be off a slower type boat, not the BIG E type speed boats.. :) You will probably need to buy a 50 yd topshot of line, because you will have a lot of spool space left over after you tighten it up



    Let it all off without anything attached?
    I have no problem waiting until then and doing that if you guys think it will work.

    I'll definately know next time that I should just send my spool in....
     
  6. TeamOso

    TeamOso Senior Member

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    Let it all off without anything attached?
    I have no problem waiting until then and doing that if you guys think it will work.

    I'll definately know next time that I should just send my spool in....
    Im not sure that u were directly asking me but on the cat boats we do that all the time when people dont wind the line out and just wind it up to one side and we have to re do that, just let it out nothing attached our boats cruise at 13knots so i dont know about the big e being able to do that,
     
  7. SkeeterRonnie

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    yes- BUT! we both HOPE they tied the knot onto the spoll good. WE can looop the spectra NEAR the bottom of the reel spool around something to hold it when it gets close to make sure it was tied on well, and has vet wrap on it to keep from slipping. We can wrap it around teh butt of my heaviest rod to hold it while it gets retied onto the spool. Order a 50yd topshot from basil of 80# line (whatever your preference is). I imagine this is your bottom/heavy chunk rig?

    yes- nothing on the end of the line.. that much line in the water creates a lot of drag/pull on the line.

    (THANK YOU SNAGGED (mean ol crab) for showing me this tactic) . I will have a couple to do the same way.
     
  8. ksong

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    Respool to another reel and spool it with some drag on the other reel.
     
  9. jureal

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    Unfortunately, the ole Triangle line winders are underpowered to properly wind on spectra onto reels unless it is the model that costs upwards of $2000 to acquire and that model has the motor with the guts to put that spectra on. The HD Triangle winders were not made to put spectra on... just mono. That line winder is very much in use in most tackle stores today. The shops that specialize in spectra and longrange/big game fishing have the heavier duty models. Just be sure what machines they have before they spool your reels. I have a Sato Line Winder that uses a 6 amp 1/2 inch drill for a motor that that has the guts to really wind on the spectra tight onto any reel. For the cost of $300 for the Sato kit plus the cost of a hand drill, it comes out to less than $400 and is a very good investment if you do a lot of reels with spectra. That spectra needs to come off the reels for washing periodically or else your spool will start to rust out. I don't like the letting of line out behind the boat as you are forcing salt intrusion deep down into your spool of line and making the rust problem worst. When fishing, most of that line never sees the salt water so the salt intrusion, while it still occurs, will be lessen. Spectra needs periodic fresh water washing so the investment into a good strong line winder is a must, in my opinion. What I have heard other do is the following. They wind the spectra under as much tension as they can onto a reel like a Penn 6/0 or the bigger 9/0. Then the mount the reel onto a rod and reel the spectra back onto their target reel against the drag of the 6/0 or 9/0 reel. Of course, you will need a way to hold the rod with the Penn reel still while you reel all that spectra back onto your target reel.

    Kil, you were typing while I was typing too. You have the short version but we do agree in the end. lol
     
  10. SkeeterRonnie

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    good idea.. I need to find a big ol penn 10/0 at a pawn shop and replace the drags with smoothies and mount in a vise. :) I have thought about taking my boat out in freshwater and letting all the line out and draggin it around for a little while.... hopefully not through some jetskiiers... although that would be funny... until I realized how much that line costs... :)
     
  11. Fishhead56

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    The back drag from a ie.. 60lb braid vs 60 lb mono behind a boat is so much less that I have not been satisfied with the results for packing braid that way.
    To strech mono on to a spinner it is still a good method.
     
  12. SpecialK

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    yes- BUT! we both HOPE they tied the knot onto the spoll good. WE can looop the spectra NEAR the bottom of the reel spool around something to hold it when it gets close to make sure it was tied on well, and has vet wrap on it to keep from slipping. Order a 50yd topshot from basil of 80# line (whatever your preference is). I imagine this is your bottom/heavy chunk rig?

    I think the knot is tied good. I HOPE!!!:eek: I have never used the vet wrap before but I am now thinking it might be a good idea. The Penn has some grip on the spool unlike my other reels but, better safe than sorry.

    I guess we can let it all out and then tie it off. I can then put on the vet wrap? and the re-spool the line. The line I have on it is JB 130#. I also have 2 topshots made up for this reel and they are 80#. I had a big spool of 80# laying around and after learning to make the windons I decided to make a lot of stuff.

    This will be the bottom /chunking rig, but I will mainly let my Pops use it as I will not mind switchin the new John Baker between jiggin and chunking so that I can try it in different situations.

    Plus after my conversation with John he is putting a reel together specifically, with the mod I needed, for me at no extra charge. He just asked that I give an in depth report of how the reel worked for me...
     
  13. ksong

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    To know whether you braided line got tightly enough spooled or not, tough the spooled braided line. If it is not hard, you need to respool it.
     
  14. SkeeterRonnie

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    sounds good. we can take the butt of my big rod and wrap the 130# a LOT of times, then pull the remained 10 yards off to wrap the spool, and make sure its tied correctly. Gulf Eagle moves at a perfect speed to do this with.

    Snagged showed me how to pack the line on the spinner, (65# braid) along with using a wet rag to add more tension to the line. I was worn out before we even got to fed waters!!!
     
  15. SpecialK

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    I was worn out before we even got to fed waters!!!

    We can play pass the rod!;)
    Ahh where is "Hyper Guy" when you need him...haha
     
  16. Uncle Russ

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    Here is what I do and it is redneck as all hell--I have even done it to put almost a thousand yards of 130 on an ATD 50W:

    1. I "de-spool" the reel by stripping it off with one of those electric drill attachments you chuck into the drill and then screw onto a plastic water bottle--in this case, a BIG one. I then tape the tag end to the bottle and paste on a label as to line/test/length.

    2. I put the reel on a rod with conventional guides and then run the new line from the spool through the first guide only and then onto the reel. I tie the new line to the reel arbor, and then apply the redneck solution as follows:

    3. I put a towel on the carpet to prevent discoloration of same. I then take the spool of line and place it down on the towel with the line spooling off it up to the rod and reel which I place in my lap. I put a wooden dowel through the spool that is long-enough for me to place a bare foot on each side to apply pressure.

    4. I then reel the line onto the reel while applying pressure with my feet and manually feeding it onto the reel.

    No-the pressure is not uniform and yes, it is damned tiring, but it works and I can get the line on the reel damned tight.

    The tricky part is later on when you have time, you have to spool the old line (if you want to keep it for any reason, and with braid you probably do) onto a spool from which you can put it onto a reel when you desire.) I do this manually, but I'm sure you could work it with a drill some way.

    Russ
     
  17. SkeeterRonnie

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    have to be careful doing it that way Russ, as heat will ruin spectra lines. I do it that way as well sometimes with my bass gear(closely done that way) and have noticed more breakage.

    TxSeaDog had a allthread rod with nuts and tennis balls on the ends to apply pressure. I did something similar here at work with rubber coated bearings.. it applied about 6# of pressure.
     
  18. SpecialK

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    have to be careful doing it that way Russ, as heat will ruin spectra lines. I do it that way as well sometimes with my bass gear(closely done that way) and have noticed more breakage.

    TxSeaDog had a allthread rod with nuts and tennis balls on the ends to apply pressure. I did something similar here at work with rubber coated bearings.. it applied about 6# of pressure.
    I liked you idea of finding a big 14/0 reel or so and useing it to spool to and then just reeling off of it...
     
  19. SkeeterRonnie

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    you can use a cordless drill and nut driver that fits the nut on the handle to fill the reel up off the filler spool, then adjust the drag to whatever tension to put on the usable reel. still have to put tension on the filler spool while putting it on the 14/0 or it will dig in and lock up while filling the usable reel.
     
  20. jureal

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    A much better alternative! Another suggestion. Use a hand drill to put soiled spectra onto a empty plastic spool ( the kind your line came on ) and throw it into a bucket of fresh water for a couple of days for cleaning. Allow to dry for a couple more days and then spool it onto your Penn 10/0 for transfer back to your original target reel. Do this regularly and you won't find your spool corroded by the salt.