Splicing spectra

Discussion in 'Tackle and Rigging' started by Deep_Sea_Gull, Apr 2, 2007.

  1. Deep_Sea_Gull

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    I bought some JB solid core 65 lb in a yellow flavor. I'm going to thread my popper rod with it. It'll ride on a sweet 20K stella.

    I read on another board a post by JEP that stated he had been able to pull end loops into solid JB spectra. I decided that I would try it myself.

    I cut a section of 32 lb wire and made a puller. I found the middle and squeezed the loop as small as I could with pliers. I had little problem inserting the wire into the 65 lb JB "solid" spectra. It is small and not an easy task. I have some experience with hollow core JB and wire loop pullers. This experience was needed to thread the "solid" core onto my wire and form a loop.

    Let me sum this up... IT WORKS. I pulled an end loop into the 65 lb "solid" core spectra.

    It was not the fastest thing I have done. I can see me tying a bimini twist when the bite is hot. Given time.... I'll pull an end loop. The end loop is a 100 percent "knot".
     
  2. SkeeterRonnie

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    LOL!! I have been trying to talk myself into making some windons with 80# hitest Berkley... I started one.. and got bored... Now I cant seem to motivate myself to finish.... never thought I could burn myself out of playing with fishing crap!!
    ~I have been trying to figure a way to make a knotless endloop in my spinner setup.. I have a differnt breed of line-SPiderwire Stealth... I think I may try running it up some hollow and winding it in/out about 4 feet up and then tying it, then the JB adhesive. I dont like knots; only one knot I have faith in: the polamar.
     

  3. Deep_Sea_Gull

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    If you get the solid run up into the hollow, a simple overhand knot will secure it. It is not 100 percent though. It IS still better than most other solutions.

    LOL!! I have been trying to talk myself into making some windons with 80# hitest Berkley... I started one.. and got bored... Now I cant seem to motivate myself to finish.... never thought I could burn myself out of playing with fishing crap!!
    ~I have been trying to figure a way to make a knotless endloop in my spinner setup.. I have a differnt breed of line-SPiderwire Stealth... I think I may try running it up some hollow and winding it in/out about 4 feet up and then tying it, then the JB adhesive. I dont like knots; only one knot I have faith in: the polamar.
     
  4. SkeeterRonnie

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    trying to get something with no knot to catch the guides on the spinner. Although I doubt I will be using topwater much, if any at all. I finished riggin ONE flying fish with stinger treble.. lol. rest of the junk got put up. I did grab a spool of 50# spiderwire stealth I had laying on the end table and bunched it up- the middle opened up suprisingly... so it may work on this stuff as well. It DOES look very time consuming.. lol.
     
  5. Minnow

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    Thread a short piece of mono (1 foot) into your solid spectra, then thread you solid spectra (mono inserted) into the hollow. JMO
     
  6. SkeeterRonnie

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    i will try that TJ and do a breaking/forklift test.. lol.. it hurts though when mono pops and comes back and whips you!! I had welps one day for several hours!!!
     
  7. jig

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    I have heard that doubling the smaller spectra then inserting into the hollow, followed by the OH knot is stronger than just inserting a single line of the smaller spectra. Although I have not tested this (and I don't even know that it makes sense b/c the single line is still a point of weakness, despite the doubling), it is likely what I would do should I be required to have this type of connection. To make it stronger, you would have to tie a bimini or other loop knot to get your double line in the smaller spectra, which kinda defeats the whole purpose to begin with.

    The other thing I have heard to make a knotted loop with greater than 100% test break stregth (reported, not tested by me) is to thread the smaller spectra all the way thru 3-4ft of hollow, so the last 3-4ft of smaller spectra is 'sleeved' and then tie a loop knot withing the sleeve. The sleeved knot is supposed to be at a lower than 100% breaking strength of the heavier specta sleeve, which is greater than the breaking strength of the original smaller spectra. I may try this too and use it if I can get a small enough knot.

    Once I decide on either a hoox or 665w two speed, I will have this issue. I plan on running 300 yds of 100# PP on it, with about 100-200yds of 60# berkley hi-test, which breaks at 90+#. I simply have to have a loop to loop connection for what I want to do. Leaning toword the sleeve method now that I think about it, due to the long topshot I would be fishing.
     
  8. SkeeterRonnie

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    I think I will try it this way: run solid inside hollow for 12". then weave the solid in and out the hollow for about 3 foot. tie a few overhand knots where the solid sticks out the top- then serve with kevlar thread on both ends, then apply JB adhesive. that sounds like it may be the quickest, easiest method for my madness. I will have to get a sewing needle to make the threading in/out go rapidly. This sounds like it could be done on the boat in a matter of minutes with low light... gotta keep it simple. It will also keep the connections very small and compact so the knots wont catch the guides. I plan on 15' of Hitest 50# for abrasion and stretch (needed when tuna is boatside and running down the hull) I can adjust to different rail hiegths-but the Big E needs a little more length.

    ^^^^ works very well.... nice strong connection, and the JB absorbs the pressure so its not all on the knots...now I have a piece of hollow I can loop.