splicing spectra

Discussion in 'Tackle and Rigging' started by 2busy, Sep 3, 2008.

  1. 2busy

    2busy Senior Member

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    What is the secret to get that needle from hanging up or exiting the spectra prematurly? I've never tried it but my buddy is having a hard time . he is 60 miles away so it is hard for me to see what is happening. Says he can only get the needle about 1 1/2 in inside before problems arise.
     
  2. Snagged

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    Start with wet spectra.
    Feed the spectra onto the needle while holding vertically
     

  3. STx Fisherman

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    That's pretty ingenious, Jerry. I'll have to give that a try.
     
  4. xs_tackle

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    What is the secret to get that needle from hanging up or exiting the spectra prematurly? I've never tried it but my buddy is having a hard time . he is 60 miles away so it is hard for me to see what is happening. Says he can only get the needle about 1 1/2 in inside before problems arise.

    Some other possibilities--
    0. Double check to see that you aren't using solid spectra. It has happened.
    1. Use new spectra. Older,used line is often twisted and the twist pinches the cavity of hollow spectra, forcing the needle or wire loop out. if you cannot use new, then try to untwist it.
    2. Forget needles and use a doubled length of SS wire (43# works well for 80;you may want lighter wire for 60 or 65#).
    3. Expect that 130# will be harder to handle than 80# (larger holes in the weave).
     
  5. 2busy

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    I'll relay the info. it is new izor brand and 135lb. trying to get 80lb big game inside.

    what would be a dead give a way if it was soild. like i said earlier he is 60 miles away and i havnt seen the line.
     
  6. xs_tackle

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    I'll relay the info. it is new izor brand and 135lb. . . .

    Your report your friend managed to get the needle only 1.5 inches thru the line led me to consider he was dealing with solid core line. I spent several discouraging hours with some 80# one time before realizing I had grabbed a piece of solid core line.

    But, assuming it's hollow core line, I've been told Izor's weave uses--or did at one time--fewer but fatter bundles of spectra fibers than some others such as JB Line One. Fewer bundles means the "windows" in the weave thru which the needle can escape the cavity are larger. This accentuates the greater difficulty of splicing 130 over splicing 80.
     
  7. jureal

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    Jep is correct. Use the doubled wire pullers instead of the needles. Not sure if you are speaking of latch needles when you write needles. Latch needles are tough to use. Izor 130 is hollow so you should not have any problems with splicing it. I assume that the 80 is also hollow? Even solid 80 and solid 100 is spliceable although it takes a lot of patience.
     
  8. jt2hunt

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    minnow, when are you going to put that video of splicing spectra?

    with the server?
     
  9. 2busy

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    The needles are the hollow tube ones not for making loop connections. The 80# is trilene big game monofilliment. he was tring to make a chinese finger trap connection instead of the bimini knot.
     
  10. xs_tackle

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    If you just need to open up the spectra so that you can then push the mono up into the hollow space, I'd suggest the best/cheapest tool is a doubled wire "cricket-leg" gadget like Garry Sato includes in his kit. You can make one by doubling 6" or more of SS wire and then putting a bend into each leg so that the legs aren't bent at the same point and the bent legs will not lie in the same plane. Neat gadget. Hats off to Garry.
     
  11. jureal

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    Or just use your long wire puller and pull it out after you have gone in far enough. Btw, I am assuming that he was using the hollow needle with the mono inserted into the hollow needle. What this does is it makes the whole deal much thicker and harder to run up the hollow spectra. What I like to do is to cut the end of the mono with a sharp razor blade 90 degrees. Then take a series of nail emory files from coarse to super fine and file the end of the mono into a bullet like shape. Then just insert the mono into the spectra without the needles. Since the overall size of the mono alone would be lots smaller in diameter than the hollow needles, insertion is a cinch. Putting 80 mono into 130 spectra should be so easy to do. Doing it right makes the job so easy.
     
  12. 2busy

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    He says he tried to do just the mono and it does the same thing. Heck if i know why it wont go in there. Maybe the spool was mis labeled. Brand new line never been used.
     
  13. jureal

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    Aside from Powerpro, most other spectra are hollow in the 130 and up sizes. Tell him to spend more time in making the end of the mono bullet shaped and use a very fine fingernail file to polish off the bullet shape so no rough edges to hang up.
     
  14. 2busy

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    okie dokie. i'll relay it to him. thanks
     
  15. 2busy

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    Well i went down and tried my hand at it and got about 5" in and it started bunching up inside. Tried the needle and just the mono,same thing. Said forget it and did a bimini and inproved albright. it's much easier and faster. the san diego knot slipped. I'll stick with what i can do.
     
  16. Snagged

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    That is a bad spool of spectra, contact Jerry Brown
     
  17. 2busy

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    It isnt jerry brown, it is Izorline.
     
  18. Snagged

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  19. jureal

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    Now you really have me curious?????
    You stated that it is Izorline 130.
    Are you sure?
     
  20. jureal

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