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Would like to be able to work a 160-200ish gram jig on the low end, I know that will make it the tricky part... talked to a few informed guys, front of the pack so far is Hearty Rise SJ iii S power 2, Oceans Legacy Elementus ELDS-B61H (180-500g rating), Temple Reef project X power 3 or 4, Garage Nagi Cross border power 6. I prefer a shorter rod, and ideally 1 piece. The Hearty Rise seems to be the front runner. It's tough talking to some of these shops because they just want to sell ya whats in stock... I don't mind waiting for the right tool. Would love to hear some opinions or other recommendations. Cheers guys
 

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I don’t know if you like black hole or you forgot to mention it but they have rods that could fit your needs. I have several Black Hole Boca Slow Pitch rods and at least The B601H3R and the B642H2M2 could take tuna in that range . The B601H3R is also one piece as you are looking for. Kill might be able to give you more information on these rods and help you find one.
 

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Of the ones you mention I like HR. You may be able to use the power 3 also. I contacted HR before I purchased my #1 to ask about low end jig weights. They said you can go down to 40g on their #1. If they suggest as low as 40g on a #1 (max 340g) then you should be able to gets good jig movement with a 150g on a power 3 and have a little extra backbone. Another choice but I never tried is the SFC JEREX, from what I understand they were meant for larger fish on smaller jigs. Maybe give Dan at “Tackle Now” a call or send him a IM here. He is “Boston Tangler”.

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I don’t know if you like black hole or you forgot to mention it but they have rods that could fit your needs. I have several Black Hole Boca Slow Pitch rods and at least The B601H3R and the B642H2M2 could take tuna in that range . The B601H3R is also one piece as you are looking for. Kill might be able to give you more information on these rods and help you find one.
Thanks, I had not looked at them... punched in a quick search and came across this old clip:
That would get the job done and it doesn't look like a broom stick. It is 2 piece and i wish it was acid wrapped but I'm going to give it a shot. Came across one on Ebay for $340 shipped. Thanks for the tip! I may spring for a hearty rise eventually. They just look so fun watching what the guys can get away with! Crazy high sticking and flipping fish into the boat, wild....
 

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I have seen a lot of guys ( in videos) high stick the hell out of BH slow pitch rods ( not recommended) but they got away with it . The blanks on my rods are quite thick ( have a lot of material ) and that could explain why they can withstand some of the abuse.
 

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There is zero percent chance that a power 1 HR rod will move a 40g jig effectively. You might be able to get decent action out of a 200g jig on the Power 1. That's even low end on the power 2 model. The power 3 would probably not even load with a 200g jig as it is a stout rod. I've found that they will not slow down enough to really get a good load until they are at the upper bounds of their jig range for each respective model. That being said, yes, you can put a ton of heat on them and you can do all kinds of wild stuff with the rod without it snapping in half. The Garage Nagi or Project X are not the rods for this. Black Hole also has rods you can put substantial heat on. There's a few Jigging Master SPJ blanks that are designed for high heat. Hell, a solid rod like the Goofish might actually not be a bad place to start.

There's several models of Shimano Game Type J rods in the 6ft range that are one piece but they are more traditional jigging rods rather than a slow pitch model. I think you could definitely handle up to 100lb class tuna on those rods, as well as most of the slow pitch offerings depending on how you fight the fish, but there will be limited lifting and pumping.

I think you'll have a much better shot at landing these types of fish in constrained depths of 150-200ft as the tuna can really only run out as opposed to down. The more room for them to run down into unlimited depths will for sure become an issue in the fight
 

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IMO If Evergreen can state their long fall can work a jig from 80g to 600g. I’ll take HR’s word (until I try it and can prove them wrong) theircan work a 49g to 340g.

Longfall Jerker PLFJ710H-6

BRAND: EVERGREEN
Condition:Brand New.Specifics:Rod Length: 2.38mNumber of Pieces: 1 and gripFolded Length: 190.0cmRod Weight: 166gRod Power: HeavyLure Weight: 80-600gLine Weight: PE 0.6-5
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Rod Length: 2.38m
Number of Pieces: 1 and grip
Folded Length: 190.0cm
Rod Weight: 166g
Rod Power: Heavy
Lure Weight: 80-600g
Line Weight: PE 0.6-5

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Hearty Rise only lists their max jig weight suggestions, so I had to ask about the low end. Got this from HR it should help with purchasing. Seems like a power 3 will work for most of my jig weights. I had great results with their Power 1 with a 250g so I’m good with my Power 1, and 2.

P1 min 40 to max 340g
Perfect jig weight is 60 to 250g

P2 min 80 to max 500g
Perfect jig weight is 100 to 290

P3 min 140g to 800g
Perfect jig weight is 210 to 500

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Tuna under 100 lb is generally what we catch where we go. Actually, they are mostly 40-80 lbs. I really want to catch one on the slow pitch too.

What size reel are you putting on these rods? I’m thinking my Ocea Jigger 2000 with 350 yards of 50 lb J-braid should be sufficient for these fish. I normally fish for them using 15-17 pounds of drag.

I do have larger reels (OJ 4000 with 65 lb test) that I use with my regular vertical jigging rods, but I’d like to stay with the smaller reel.

Thoughts?
 

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I hooked up with what I'm guessing was a 80-100 lb. YFT two nights ago while SPJ and I have the Black Hole slow pitch rod. What a learned is that even though you can "high stick" them, I wouldn't recommend it. The most progress I got with the fish was just pointing the rod at the fish and just consistently crank him in when I could. I tried to pump the rod a few times by lifting the rod tip and reeling down like the guy in that video and it really didn't help too much. I was using an Ocea Jigger 2000 with 30 lb. braid and 60 flouro. It took about 15 minutes but eventually I got him to the surface and to the boat. I had trouble keeping his head up while was circling and he ran under the boat and broke me off. It was my goal on that trip was to catch a YFT on SPJ so it was so sad to lose that fish. I had hooked one earlier in the night but it was about 400' down and I couldn't budge it. The deck hand thought it might have been a Big Eye Tuna.
 

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Dropping live baits at the rigs for whatever reason 400 feet seems to be the sweet spot for a YFT live bait bite. Keep in mind that tuna want to run deep when they hook up so you have to let them run to burn off some of their energy. I expect at least three good runs on a decent YFT, first on hook up, second about halfway up and the last when it sees the boat. Everything else is constant resistance with the fish swimming broadside providing the most resistance. A great help would be to have the boat in gear at idle or just enough to keep the fishes head pointed in the direction of boat travel. This makes it so much easier to fight the fish when it is kept in the heads up position caused by the boats forward motion.
 

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Thanks, I had not looked at them... punched in a quick search and came across this old clip:
That would get the job done and it doesn't look like a broom stick. It is 2 piece and i wish it was acid wrapped but I'm going to give it a shot. Came across one on Ebay for $340 shipped. Thanks for the tip! I may spring for a hearty rise eventually. They just look so fun watching what the guys can get away with! Crazy high sticking and flipping fish into the boat, wild....
Look at him high stick. Be careful not to do that. He got lucky. That shows you how strong that blank really is.
 

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I caught a 70lb yellow fin a few months back on a Johnny jigs pro jigger power 4. It was a good choice. This year I’ll be using Temple reef levitate power 2. I hope I could out on a center console. I was on a walk around with outriggers on it and the way they fight it was hard getting around the boat.
 

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Hearty Rise only lists their max jig weight suggestions, so I had to ask about the low end. Got this from HR it should help with purchasing. Seems like a power 3 will work for most of my jig weights. I had great results with their Power 1 with a 250g so I’m good with my Power 1, and 2.

P1 min 40 to max 340g
Perfect jig weight is 60 to 250g

P2 min 80 to max 500g
Perfect jig weight is 100 to 290

P3 min 140g to 800g
Perfect jig weight is 210 to 500

Benny
Benny I'm new at the SPJ and I'm on the steep learning curve and my current SPJ rods are HRSPJ3 power 1 and 3. Since I'm still learning how to do this my experience is limited. As best I can tell by how it feels the sweet spot for the Power 1 is around 250g and the Power 3 is around 500g.
 

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That’s great to know Kim! I haven’t gotten a chance to use my P3 yet and was thinking of taking my P1 on my next trip. I’ll be using between 250g and 300g. I use my P2 with 250g and 290g with Brest results.

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Grabbed a couple of black hole Boca and Cape Cod SPJ rods along w/ a Hearty Rise SJ3S power 2. Gotta say I really REALLY enjoy the hearty rise. And I’ve fished Temple Reef levitate TI for the past couple seasons… the hearty rise is an absolute beast, but as Benny mentioned, you need a decent weight jig to load it. I lose touch of anything shy of 200g on that power 2. But when you do connect, she’s an absolute dream. Haven’t sunk my hooks into a big tuna yet, but I’ve tussled w/ a few decent jacks. Think my next addition is going to be a SJiii power zero, will round out the quiver nicely:)

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Thanks, I had not looked at them... punched in a quick search and came across this old clip:
That would get the job done and it doesn't look like a broom stick. It is 2 piece and i wish it was acid wrapped but I'm going to give it a shot. Came across one on Ebay for $340 shipped. Thanks for the tip! I may spring for a hearty rise eventually. They just look so fun watching what the guys can get away with! Crazy high sticking and flipping fish into the boat, wild....
Thanks, I had not looked at them... punched in a quick search and came across this old clip:
That would get the job done and it doesn't look like a broom stick. It is 2 piece and i wish it was acid wrapped but I'm going to give it a shot. Came across one on Ebay for $340 shipped. Thanks for the tip! I may spring for a hearty rise eventually. They just look so fun watching what the guys can get away with! Crazy high sticking and flipping fish into the boat, wild....
Not a good video. Look at him high stick. This is how not to fight with a slow pitch rod. Any brand.
 

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Yes do not high stick with a traditional spj rod.,, unless its one of those taiwan spj rods that are thicker than your wrist. Tokio? or whatever that junk is
If the fish isnt coming up, point the rod at the fish and pump by pulling the rods towards you then reel the slack as you extend your arms again. Pump using the reel instead of the rod. Yamamoto Taro, the field tester for Shimano does a good explanation of this. I think its on youtube. He was landing some monster amberjacks doing this.

Im more of a casting top water guy, but thats how ive seen people do it here jigging. Pe4~ should be good enough for tuna up to 120lbs
 

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Would like to be able to work a 160-200ish gram jig on the low end, I know that will make it the tricky part... talked to a few informed guys, front of the pack so far is Hearty Rise SJ iii S power 2, Oceans Legacy Elementus ELDS-B61H (180-500g rating), Temple Reef project X power 3 or 4, Garage Nagi Cross border power 6. I prefer a shorter rod, and ideally 1 piece. The Hearty Rise seems to be the front runner. It's tough talking to some of these shops because they just want to sell ya whats in stock... I don't mind waiting for the right tool. Would love to hear some opinions or other recommendations. Cheers guys
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These are really nicely made rods (OEM'd by MajorCraft) its not a Chinese made rod and I sell them very reasonably don't be off put by the low price. The 58Z is what I'm fishing for tuna and tile - its a great rod I like it alot and for the money you can buy two compared to others.

The 58Z is the Green rod in the photos
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