Spinning reel without bail

Discussion in 'Jigging and Popping' started by ksong, Aug 29, 2008.

  1. ksong

    ksong SPONSOR

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    Don't buy any spinning reel without bail if you intend to use it for jigging.
    I tested my Zeebaas ZX27 and the line got loose a dozen times while jigging today. I was luck it didn't break my nose.
     
  2. BAOSABI

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    Did the reel have any line-lay problems? Did the gears ever loosen up for you?
     

  3. ksong

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    Did the reel have any line-lay problems? Did the gears ever loosen up for you?
    No line-lay problem whatsoever. It is much better than my Stella 8000.
    I'll show pictures when I have time.
     
  4. crazyjigr

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    Good surf reels, offshore and jigging to be seen. Kil I'm glad your doing the research for us.
    What is the advantage of not having a bail? I understand why not when surf fishing.
     
  5. Minnow

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    Bailess reel is great for live bait fishing but not as good for jigging and popping.
     
  6. workin

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    Hey,

    Educate me a little: is there some advantage to NOT having a bail? Is it just the lack of something else to break? Otherwise, I can't figure it. I once used a Van Stal (I think) that didn't have one, and I couldn't stand it.
     
  7. d-a

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    No advantage at all for our intended purposes.

    I think KIL got a bail less zebass as thats all that is available.

    d-a
     
  8. workin

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    No advantage at all for our intended purposes.

    I think KIL got a bail less zebass as thats all that is available.

    d-a

    Ok. I guess I was wondering if you experienced types feel like a bail is unreliable - like level-wind or something (I LIKE level wind).

    F
     
  9. Sea Crappie

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    Kil,

    Other than the bail-less feature, what did you think of the reel. Did I understand you correctly, that you think the line lay is better than a stella? Is the drag smooth, gearing smooth?
     
  10. Fishhead56

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    Kil,
    Quit posting and keep fishing. LoL.
    Thanks for the update for your Labor , on the Labor day weekend,
    I hope your nose is ok.

    k2
     
  11. kidflex

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    they make the rough series with a bail zx27rb model. how do you think the performance wouldve been with the bail.
     
  12. ichibahn

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    Bailess reel is great for live bait fishing but not as good for jigging and popping.

    TJ, I need to correct that quote. :p

    The purpose of bailess reel design is for popping, to prevent bail accidentally trip when casting and bail mechanism failure because of sand when the reel get dunk in the water.

    Most of hardcore surf fisherman used custom hand made lure (popper/swimbait), and mostly cost $30 - $80 /lure, depend who's the maker.
    And you can see their ugly face when they loose those lure because of the bail snap closed.:D

    I never had experience line loose while popping or cast-jig with my VS.
    I will get one ZB as soon they release offshore series.

    For deep jigging. Please, get with bail system if you still love your finger.:)
     
  13. ksong

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    Kil,

    Other than the bail-less feature, what did you think of the reel. Did I understand you correctly, that you think the line lay is better than a stella? Is the drag smooth, gearing smooth?
    I can sum up the reel with three words.

    Simplicity, Style and Innovation

    I dont know myt Stella 8000 has a defect or not. Stella 8000 I have is OK, but it doesn't have good Line-lay as my Stella 20000 has.
    After catching a few 50- 100 lbs AJ on Sunday, I'll give my review of the reel.

    .
     
  14. Sea Crappie

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    Thanks Kil, and look forward to the review. Hope you get into some serious AJ's this weekend.
     
  15. MrBill

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    I just don't think a bail-less reel is in my future.

    The below reel is in my future, as I hope to receive one late Sept 08.
    It will be the baddest of the bad as far as spinning reels go. With a capacity of 450 yards of 130# spectra, not many fish will spool it.
     

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  16. ichibahn

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    I just wondered how much weight on that reel ?
     
  17. Minnow

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    Freddy, I didn't say what's that reel is design for did I?:rolleyes: :D :D
    I said it works great for live bait fishing

    MrBill,

    Do you think it's bigger than Van Staal VS 400?
     

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  18. ichibahn

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    Freddy, I didn't say what's that reel is design for did I?:rolleyes: :D :D
    I said it works great for live bait fishing

    MrBill,

    Do you think it's bigger than Van Staal VS 400?

    TJ,
    Yes, you did not say that. :D
    I just try to explain the purposed of the reel design.
    That's why is not great for jigging but great for popping.;)

    And congrats on that VS-400, I almost outbid you but decided to back out after I contact Robert for the reel weight. (52oz :eek: )
     
  19. Minnow

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    Freddy, I am glad you decided not to bid on it else I would have lost to you.

    I have been wanting to buy that reel since it was first introduced but I don't have the money at that time.
     
  20. ichibahn

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    Same with me, I want it so bad for long time. Since I want to collect all the VS series.
    But I have to back out after saw your name as I remember we're talking about it at Fung restaurant and you like to have VS-400.
    And second is the weight issue, scared me off.:eek:

    Next time when you decide to selling it, let me know.
    I like to have it for my VS collection.