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Top water Plugging, Popping.
I have been experiencing and seeing alot of tuna coming off the hooks mid-fight. Especially when using smaller 2/0 ~3/0 trebles. Recently, there has been a trend here in Japan of using Single hooks instead of the typical trebles. I havent hooked up yet using the single hooks but was wondering if any of you guys have had experiences with single hooks.

Pros are, Single hooks are stronger and can penetrate deeper into the jaw. In addition, it is said that becuase the single hooks are attached to the ring using PE assist cord, any head shaking will not destabalize/affect the hook as much. Weights are matched to the recommended treble size.
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Fist pic have two singles attached to increase hooking chances no matter the direction of the bite (we call them double kudako). Last pic are just single hooks.
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Thanks all for the comments. Yea the double 1piece hooks are popular. They have a pretty similar hook up ratio to the trebles but have a lower risk of straightning out or getting pulled. I will do some testing and get back with some results.

Just cant trust trebles on larger yft. Lost too many.
 

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Hello Ryan

I am mostly using single hooks for all stickbaits and Poppers i use, as for small and big for tunas from 40lbs up to 200lbs. In my opinion the hook up rate has increased and the drop out while fighting the tuna has not been a big topic anymore. I mostly use BKK lone diablo inline hooks. As for corrission they are okay but not the best, while the sharpness and robustness is really good. I have never tried it with any assist cords just split rings.
 

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Hello!
That is great to hear and exactly the size range i believe most are targeting on the top water as well.
The "hook up ratio" dropping is not big concern as long as the # of dropped and foul hooked fish decrease, but i am happy to hear that in your experience the hook up rate has increased.

Distancing the hook from the lure with a short assist cord may be beneficial. I will get back with results. BKK singles are popular as well as the Shaut and Maboroshi Plugging doubles. Maboroshi makes some serious anit-rust hooks.
 

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Little feedback as i have have been fishing a lot of single assist cord lures for many years from GT to Tuna.
1. Major concern here is obviously the action of the lures. They need to swim properly. This has been a huge task for me as some lures swim like complete shit with single hooks. We can go into lures later if you’d like. If possibly rig and test every lure combo before your trip.This is obviously vary a bit if you only have a fresh water pond compared to the ocean. But anything is better then nothing.
2. Lure weight and hook weight are extremely important. Lures action will change tremendously with you’re hook configuration and the size of those hooks will even make a floating stickbait turn into a sun surface bait rather quickly. Weigh your hooks AND split rings so you know what you’re dealing with.
3.You will, for the most part get a better holding hook set with singles. I find with GT and Tuna especially they are able to torque on the trebles more often then not. This also goes without saying. Trebles are horrible for fish being released. If your killing tuna then it doesn’t necessarily matter.
4. Singles with assist cord add the the profile of the lure. The assist cord will add length and more hook exposure to the lure. This is both a good and bad thing tho. If the fish are small I’ve found it hard to not pocketbook them. If they are big it’s a benifit as it puts the lure in a better position, usually outside of the their mouth so they can not torque on the hook.
Hope this helps a bit and let me know if i can clarify anything.
 

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Hey thanks alot for sharing!
Its probably region specific, but lure action doesnt seem to be an issue for lures made in Japan for most are tested with both trebles and singles. The packaging usually says something along the lines of "ST-66 3/0, or equivelent to 7g"

Maybe we can share some lures which work well with a specific single hook combo.
Do you have experience with double singles ? It may be an area specific thing but its becoming very popluar especially for larger yft and bft tuna. Apparently increases hook up ratio and allow for smaller singles to be set. You seem experineced so maybe i could send you some and you could test em out. Or just stick two singles on a split ring. Same thing.

Below 2nd pic is from the Carpenter website for their GAMMA series lures. Just lists the recommened weights.
Same with CB ONE. Their field tester dude exclusively uses double hook with cord. He claims he doesnt loose very many fish. I assume lure action isnt an issue. Just for reference. Cheers


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Doubles can be good because they're heavy compared with single hooks. Stickbaits originally designed to be used with trebles often require pretty large singles (used instead of the trebles). If you don't want to use giant singles, then plugging doubles could be the answer. I don't really like doubles though. Not sure they're much safer than trebles (safer for me) and I think they could be pretty bad for hooked fish. Double hooks on the tail could be bad for fish - catching them in the throat, etc.
 

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Hey thanks alot for sharing!
Its probably region specific, but lure action doesnt seem to be an issue for lures made in Japan for most are tested with both trebles and singles. The packaging usually says something along the lines of "ST-66 3/0, or equivelent to 7g"

Maybe we can share some lures which work well with a specific single hook combo.
Do you have experience with double singles ? It may be an area specific thing but its becoming very popluar especially for larger yft and bft tuna. Apparently increases hook up ratio and allow for smaller singles to be set. You seem experineced so maybe i could send you some and you could test em out. Or just stick two singles on a split ring. Same thing.

Below 2nd pic is from the Carpenter website for their GAMMA series lures. Just lists the recommened weights.
Same with CB ONE. Their field tester dude exclusively uses double hook with cord. He claims he doesnt loose very many fish. I assume lure action isnt an issue. Just for reference. Cheers


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We can Deff ge this conversation going as far as lures go. There are a lot of them out there that’s for sure lol. I’m back from overseas now so I’ll be more active on here.
 
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