shimano tiagra 16 rebuild

Discussion in 'Reel Repair' started by alantani, Mar 23, 2007.

  1. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    to look at the schematic for this reel....

    http://mikesreelrepair.com/schematics/schematic.php?url=Shimano/Shimano%20ti%2016.pdf

    ..... you'd think that some engineer somewhere had waaayyyy too much time on his hands. lots of little pieces! but it's not impossible either.

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    now, before we jump into this reel, let's talk about it first. the drags are greased carbon fiber. i consider them to be the industry standard. drag failures for greased carbon fiber are virtually unheard of. what about the bearings? shimano arb bearings are already open. with no shields to hold water in, the risk of bearing failure should be lower. shimano also has their own special grease bearings which is pretty good stuff. give the spool a spin. if the freespool is ok for the type of fishing you do, let's leave the bearings alone. how about drag range? i like a 30% drag setting. let's say you have 65 pound spectra and a 50 pound topshot. if this reel can give you 15 pounds of drag, you should be all set. straight out of the box, there is very little danger of reel failure because of salt water intrusion and subsequent corrosion. if the reel delivers, let's leave it be. or you could be like me and just be curious....

    want to open it up and take a peek inside? ok, let's start by greasing all the right side plate screws (key #601). you'll need a metric torx bit.

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    back out the stand screws (key #528), one at a time, shoot in a bead of grease and re-install the screws.

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    grease the rod clamp bolts (key #646 or 649)

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    back out the left side plate screws (key #601 and 645).

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    remove the left side plate assembly (key #644) and set it aside.

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    the spool comes out cleanly and in one piece.

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    note the orientation of the anti-reverse ratchet (key #529). it's easy to put on backwards.

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    remove the cooling shield screws and washers (key #641 and 640).

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    set the cooling shield (key #639) and pressure plate (B) (key #637) aside. remove the drag pressure plate screws (key #636).

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    remove the drag plate (key #635). see the little springs?

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0345.JPG

    pull the out the drag plate springs (key #630) ....

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0346.JPG

    and set them aside, some place nice and safe.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0347.JPG

    the pinion shaft (key #625) has two cross pins (key #626) and a pressure plate spring (key #634).

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0348.JPG

    pull the pins and spring, then the drag washer assembly, and set them aside.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0349.JPG

    here's the pinion shaft (key #625) with bearing, bellville's and thrust washers in order. the white grease is shimano's bearing grease. this product is much lighter than the drag grease and works very well. cleaning out the bearings will improve freespool. if 30 seconds of freespool is not needed for your application, leave the grease in the bearings.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0350.JPG

    i opted to clean out the bearings.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0351.JPG

    i removed a thrust washer (key #42A), added two belleville pre-load springs (key #40A) and changed the stack of bellevilles from the stock configuration of "(())" to "((()))".

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0352.JPG

    to get the spacing right, i ended up moving that thrust washer to the left side of the spool....

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0353.JPG

    reinstall the cross pin.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0354.JPG

    now let's look at the drag washer.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0355.JPG

    add a thick coat of shimano drag grease.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0358.JPG

    wipe off all the excess.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0359.JPG

    until it looks dry.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0360.JPG

    re-install the drag washer assembly.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0361.JPG

    re-install the pressure plate spring and cross pin.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0362.JPG

    re-install the drag plate springs (key #630). a bead of grease is very helpful here.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0363.JPG

    reinstall the drag plate (key #635) and screws (key #636).

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0365.JPG

    regrease and clean the second drag washer assembly.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0369.JPG

    drop the drag washer assembly back onto the spool shaft.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0370.JPG

    check out the rubber gasket. this is similar to the system found in shimano tld series. when the lever is forward and the drag washer is engaged, the gasket locks up against the spool cap and the drag chamber is sealed to prevent water intrusion. like the tld series, you rinse off your tiagras while they are in gear.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0373.JPG

    grease the screw holes.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0374.JPG

    install the cooling shield (key #639).

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0375.JPG

    re-install the anti-reverse ratchet (key #529). the bearing spacer (key #642) and bearing thrust washer (key #567) are hidden under the grease.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0376.JPG

    more screw holes to grease.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0377.JPG

    re-install the side plate screws. the long one goes in at the 12 o'clock position.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0378.JPG

    done! here are the specs. not so bad for a non-blue printed reel!

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0379.JPG

    see, that wasn't to bad!
     
  2. SkeeterRonnie

    SkeeterRonnie Senior Member

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    thanks again Alan.. I just took mine back apart and lubed the spool bearings with the Reel-X, and Cals on the drags and sideplate bearings. kept it stock on the washers.
     

  3. BILLB

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    hmmm...
    What about cracking and cleaning the other side?
     
  4. John_Madison CT

    John_Madison CT Senior Member

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    If you look at picture #7 you will see that Alan has full access to the insides of the left part of the reel.
     
  5. BILLB

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    If you look at picture #7 you will see that Alan has full access to the insides of the left part of the reel.

    I would like to see a step by step on pulling that bearing, repacking and re assembly.
     
  6. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    i did this tutorial quite a while ago. there are actually a couple of posts like this, where the tutorial does not include pulling out and packing the right main side plate bearing. if you go to the tld 20/30 two speed tutorial, it is almost exactly the same.

    tld 20/30 II
     
  7. BILLB

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    i did this tutorial quite a while ago. there are actually a couple of posts like this, where the tutorial does not include pulling out and packing the right main side plate bearing. if you go to the tld 20/30 two speed tutorial, it is almost exactly the same.

    tld 20/30 II

    Thanks, Alan, I see where I screwed up now.
    My two Tiagra 30w lrs (two bags of parts) are on their way back to shimano due to my screw up. I took em down and could'nt re-assemble.
     
  8. koppie

    koppie Supporting Members Supporting Member

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    Hi Alan. Thanks so much for this tut. I followed you intsructions to the letter but after fully servicing the reel I only have about 10lbs max drag on my Tiagra 16. I did also dismantle the whole right side including the pre-programe dial for the drag. I'm sure I have put it back together properly but when I try and increase the drag by tightening the pre-programe dial it only give 10lbs drag but the preprograme dial just keep turning forward. I'm sure the dial should lock up at max drag so something must be wrong. Any ideas?
     
  9. johndtuttle

    johndtuttle Senior Member

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    Problems like this are usually a problem with the Belleville washers that should be in a ( ) orientation rather than ((. Essentially you have shortened the shimming of the drag assembly so it cannot put enough force on the drag plate.
     
  10. Bluefin20killer

    Bluefin20killer Well-Known Member

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    I took off left side plate and spool of my 50w just to do some easy cleaning...nothing complicated. I put back the 2 speeds on the right side of the spool, put in my spool, put on anti reverse and such...then screw left side plate back on and drag does not work.....don't know what I did wrong but please tell me if you think you could help. Your probably a lot better at this then I am