rod question

Discussion in 'Tackle and Rigging' started by 2busy, Aug 16, 2008.

  1. 2busy

    2busy Senior Member

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    what would be any advantages for using a calstar 700xh over the 700 h other than being a few dollars cheaper. avet lx6/3 65lb izor with 50 lb topshot. wanting it for casting topwater and jigging for tuna. is the 700 xh that much stiffer in the tip than the 700 h?

    need to get one ordered and am landlocked in okla so pulling on them is not an option. sell me on the best rod for the application above. Thanks
     
  2. paul708

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    for casting topwater
    the H is a good choice
    it is also ok for jigging.
    the XH i would stepup to if tagreting bigger fish or using more drag
    the reel you have will be fine with the H model
     

  3. Mitchw123456

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    thats not enough reel to mount on the XH. The only way I would get the XH is if you were going to fish 25#+ of drag.
     
  4. 2busy

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    I'm hoping to get hooked up to some nice YF in the 100# size. I know bigger fish have been landed with smaller setups. Just wanting plenty of backbone to help turn fish, dont want a limp noodle rod. Need this rod to last for awhile.
    I just dont want a rod so stiff that it is too hard to cast with.
    I know i have seen this reel pull more drag than it is advertized for.
     
  5. Mitchw123456

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    They will pull more than they are advertised at but you will lose freespool and the handle will start to bind; I have a couple of them and have played with it at higher settings. I still think either way the H will be more than enough rod. The XH has a slightly softer tip for the first 18" or so but past that it is almost like pulling on a broom stick. The H will more than suffice I believe.
     
  6. Capt Richie

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    TheXH is a beast 40-100 blank & the H is 30-80...If you target fish are going to be over the 100lb class the Xh.. If not the H... Me I always fish a light as possible because first off it more fun & how many fish are going to be over 100lbs??
    Mitch is right about the reel..to much rod & the rod calstar all have just so much bend than shut off..
    Now if you plan to jig tuna 150lbs & under The Gusa Wahoo Jr composite jigging rod...Much better than the calstars...
     
  7. Uncle Russ

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    2busy: I have both the Calstar 700XH and H spinners, as well as the 700H Conventional. If casting distance, especially with lighter poppers is an issue, the H model will do noticably better with lighter poppers. I don't notice much difference when pulling on the rods until you get above 25-27 pounds. The 700XH will definitely not break at 35 pounds and I would figure the H at about 5 below that. And even then, as stated before, there is probably a huge margin for error. I don't cast particularly well with heavy spinners compared to lots of folks, but have been practicing and getting better and I notice several feet difference between the two spinners with lures in the 4-5 ounce range. The 700H really starts getting better when you drop down to such lures as the lighter Shibuki and the Tuna Hunter Junior. As for casting the conventional, as the folks from Jersy say: fegiddaboutit. :) I can't cast the darned things at all. But I assume the rods would cast about the same relative to the two spinners.

    But as far as I'm concerned, for sheer casting distance combined with fish fighting, I would choose the OTI 7 1/2 foot in 80 pound if I were starting all over and they were available. I do much better in distance with the 50 pound rod--which I do own--and almost as well as with two 9 foot and 8 foot Japanese rods which I do best with.

    Personally, as the owner of three non-roller Calstars, I would go with the OTI rods.

    Russ
     
  8. paul708

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    russ.
    the new 7'6" OTI conventional are now available that is a good choice
    thanks for bring it up
    plus the blanks if a custom is preferred
     
  9. 2busy

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    I dont own any spinning reels so it will have to be conventional. i've been using conventionals for as long as i can remember for everything. i'd rather use a spincast than a spinng reel.

    7' is about as long a rod as i want to haul around .all my fishing will be GOM. on party boat types
     
  10. paul708

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    I dont own any spinning reels so it will have to be conventional. i've been using conventionals for as long as i can remember for everything. i'd rather use a spincast than a spinng reel.

    7' is about as long a rod as i want to haul around .all my fishing will be GOM. on party boat types
    the OTI are 2 pcs conventional..
    great for travel and hauling
     
  11. 2busy

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    oti rods may be better than some american made but i'm still trying to keep it american made. call me sentimental, i still prefer to buy american. we spend way to much on foreign made.
     
  12. Capt Richie

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    oti rods may be better than some american made but i'm still trying to keep it american made. call me sentimental, i still prefer to buy american. we spend way to much on foreign made.


    American made rods are better hands down...I think you should take a look at the GUSA Wahoo Jr jigging rod ...You can go to the NERBS wedsite..

    For what you want its the best blank...You can get one from NERBS , Trophy Tackle or me..The price of the Wahoo is a little more than a factory calstar but I think its well worth it...We can build it very light & it has the action & power to jig big fish.............
     
  13. BretABaker

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    saying american made rods are better hands down is quite a stretch. i own several blanks made in japan, and they are at least as good or better than the calstars i own.
     
  14. Capt Richie

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    If your talking about a Smith or Premiere rod..The Premiere cost 4x as much as a calstar or Gusa so I would hope so..The Smith good rod but still cost more..The Gusa is still a better product..Look at the 603,602 & the 601 blanks

    Have you ever cut a blank..I do it all the time & hands down the american blanks are better..I cut the butts down on seeker blacksteel & now know why they call them black steel..The Gusa's are the same..
    The far-east blanks cut like butter thin & brittle ..The tips on an american blank inside hole is pin size & far-east blanks 4x or 5x as big ..
    I had a good name brand blank break on me & the walls are so thin you can crush them between you fingers..I no longer use any far-east blanks..
    Do some of those blanks fish well yes they do..But do you want to take a chance of losing a fish of a lifetime???
    GUSA has a video of a full size ford SUV driving over them its on mudhole tackle..

    I try to build the highest quality rod's I can & american made is the way to go......
     
  15. Uncle Russ

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    As Paul says, although overall length is 7 1/2 feet, breakdown length is closer to 5 feet 6 inches. So in fact, they are about 18 inches shorter (in transit) than the 7 footers. And not to worry about strength--virtually all of the Japanese rods, designed for huge giant trevally use this design--you may break an OTI 7 1/2 by putting huge amounts of drag on it or high-sticking, but, barring some kind of one-time flaw in the material, it won't ever break at the butt joint. For example, the Smith 80P/35 is a Japanese rod that fishes 8 feet long but breaks down to a foot shorter than the Calstars we have been discussing.

    Russ
     
  16. BretABaker

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    no, i am talking about OTI rods. I have 2 of their rods and plan on buying more since they are extremely strong blanks and are very well-priced. Are you claiming they are neither? :rolleyes: I've caught big fish on the OTIs and at heavy drag settings, they've met and exceeded expectations.

    I've heard nice things about the GUSA rods and would like to fish some in person before making a claim one way or another.


    I'm not saying the American rods aren't good rods or aren't well priced, but making a catch-all statement like that is ignorant, and doesn't give you much credibility.
     
  17. Capt Richie

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    WOW never thought saying buy American was a bad thing..But I quess you learn something new every day...........

    OTI MADE IN CHINA...................
     
  18. BretABaker

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    I'm not saying that "made in america" is a bad thing - I'm saying that claiming any foreign-made rods are junk is ethnocentric and very ignorant. Are Japanese reels crap too???

    I am under the impression OTI is made in japan (TJ correct me if I'm wrong) but even if they are made in China, they are excellent, strong blanks so it really makes no difference.

    Just because something is made in China, Korea, Malaysia, etc does not mean it is crap.
     
  19. ksong

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    Have you ever cut a blank..I do it all the time & hands down the american blanks are better..I cut the butts down on seeker blacksteel & now know why they call them black steel..The Gusa's are the same..
    The far-east blanks cut like butter thin & brittle ..The tips on an american blank inside hole is pin size & far-east blanks 4x or 5x as big ..
    I had a good name brand blank break on me & the walls are so thin you can crush them between you fingers..I no longer use any far-east blanks..
    Do some of those blanks fish well yes they do..But do you want to take a chance of losing a fish of a lifetime???
    GUSA has a video of a full size ford SUV driving over them its on mudhole tackle..

    I try to build the highest quality rod's I can & american made is the way to go......

    Richie,
    see the wall of Jigging Master blanks in th picture below. Do you still think blanks from far east are too thin ? :)
    As long as rods/blanks are strong enough for their rating, I prefer lighter ones for jigging and popping. The reason I like GUSA is they are strong and light.
    I believe American rod companies like Seeker, Calstar, GUSA or ST Croix can make jigging/popping rods/blanks as good as Japanese products, but their philosophy is different and they don't see the potential market as Japanese companies do. St Croix 4M76XHF blank is lighter than Hot's Wei World, but it is rated to 80 lbs !! Sooner or later, American rod companies turn their attention to Japanese style jigging/popping rods/blank market. Some already do.

    Among Japanese style jigging rods from the far east, the concept of Jigging Master is very closer to American's. They choose strength and durability bewteen weight and strength. That is one of main reason I carry them.
    There is no such a thing that 'the lighter, the stronger' though some claim it.


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  20. Uncle Russ

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    Capt. Richie: Although I would not personally have chosen to word my disagreement with you as strongly as did Bret, I think I detect from the tone of your response to him that you consider anyone who would not "Buy American" as somehow less patriotic than you are. While I am not competent to argue with either of you on the subject of product quality, I do have some opinions on the notion of "Buying American" as somehow having attained the status of Eleventh Commandmant. I assure you that it is more feasible to retain one's patriotism while purchasing the occasional foreign-made product than it is, say, to retain one's virginity while working in a whorehouse. :) I strongly suspect that there are many people who participate in this board who are good, patriotic Americans, and who, knowingly or otherwise, occasionally purchase products made, wholly or in part overseas--it is hard in today's economy not to.

    Let's look at you for example. (What I mean, of course, is let's invite YOU to examine your own situations--most of us don't really care what you buy or from whence it originates.) Do a self-inventory. I would start by venturing to say that, given your strong feelings about the subject, you own one or more vehicles, all assembled in the United States by American workers, from parts which were manufactured completely in the United States, (including all sub-assemblies.) I would further assume that you did not buy from a company, the stock of which is wholly or partially owned by any foreign individual or corporation--or one that, by contrast, owns stock in any foreign manufacturer.

    I would further imagine that you do not shop at Wal Mart, Sams Club, or Costco, that the computer you are using to post on this thread contains no parts made or software developed in the far East, and that when you go to the grocery store, you only purchase produce from California (although, if you are, like some of us, the good, conservative, patriotic, American, I think you are, you would be more offended by buying from those folks than from darkest Communist China! :D

    I suspect that you have examined your portfolio and that you do not own any stocks or mutual funds, the holdings of which include any equity in foreign-owned companies. Hopefully, none of the cash you have used to invest in bonds or money market instruments has been funneled overseas and leant to corporations or individuals in foreign climes. Presumably, all of your equity holdings are in solidly based companies benefiting the United States, such as Jack Daniels and American Tobacco Company. ;) And now that General Electric has promised they have stopped dealing with Iran and helping kill our troops, no doubt you are signing up both for their products and their stock.

    I trust that you have found a way to ensure that all of the fuel you purchase for your automobile and all of the electricity that enters your home, was created using only oil or natural gas pumped from beneath the green fields of Texas or Oklahoma.

    Now contrary to what you may think, I do not mean this to be sarcastic. But the point is obvious. I, like you, would prefer to “Buy American” whenever I can--I do get a better feeling from my Accurates than I do from my Shimanos —and I realize that is your point. But my counterpoint is this: that (1) it is virtually impossible, rightly or wrongly, in the modern world, to restrict your purchases to products made here, with native materials, by American citizens, (2) that, given the shoddy quality of many American products (sorry, but that’s the truth) you may shoot yourself in the foot buying, say, some Detroit piece of $hit, the profits of which have helped line the pockets, not only of overpaid American CEO s, but undeserving Union slackers as well! My father fought in WWII and NEVER bought a Toyota or a BMW, but he surely had to settle for some inferior Buicks and Dodges in that time, all in the interest of encouraging American companies and workers who were not doing their part for the excellence of this country from 1950 – 1990, as he had done in the 1940 s.

    So to be blunt:

    1. If Brett were my son and if I were big enough, I would take him out behind the woodshed for his use of words in answering your post. :)

    2. That having been said, I know him, and he is a fine American, with an opinion as valid as your own--in spite of his tendencies to rape and kill, to inter-species dating of farm animals, and (gasp) buying rod blanks from China and Japan. :eek:

    3. We all buy foreign-made goods—no way we can avoid it.

    4. Most of us own foreign equities and lend money overseas. So not to buy foreign products cuts off our noses to spite our lovely American faces.

    5. And if you feel, as many do, that you disapprove of the global economy, my answer is that you might as well disapprove of gravity or magnetism. The way we (and especially the great Ronald Reagan) defeated Communism in the former Soviet Union (and are in the process of defeating it in China, Korea, and elsewhere) was by the example of Capitalism—through which we have subverted socialism from its roots upward. Now that they are competing with us, we are learning to a great extent that our own economic system can be a two-edged sword. But competing they are, and there is nothing we can do about it.

    6. America is the best and noblest country on earth and has been for nearly 250 years. And patriotism in its defense and patronizing its institutions and its corporate entities is a worthy goal. But decisions as to what acts are patriotic in nature should be undertaken logically and with as much information as we can muster--otherwise, we, like Obama, the Clintons, or Al Gore, will, end up supporting actions with unintended consequences--such as attempting to fend off global warming by encouraging the production of ethanol and starving the already pathetic masses in countries far less worthy and noble than our own.

    7. As Kil implies, neither Japanese, Chinese, or American rods are "better." They are different--each is better in its own way.

    8. Brett is a good American, you are a good American and I, Uncle Russ, am a GREAT American.

    As a friend of mine on this board, from Colorado, from whom I am on the opposite pole politically, often closes his discussions with me (and I agree wholeheartedly,) Peace!

    Russ