penn international 30 s II rebuild

Discussion in 'Reel Repair' started by alantani, Mar 16, 2007.

  1. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    Alan

    I have a Penn 30 TW that has been 2 Speeded with extra room for gear shifting provided via a spacer ring... with shifter and gears from a 30S.

    I took it apart because the Drag had gotten a little weak. I bought a new Drag plate and New factory carbon fiber drag washer assy for a Penn 30TW.

    After assembly with the new parts it has very little adjust Pre-Set drag adjustment before I loose Free Spool. As far as I can tell it's exactly as I took it apart on the washer stack. spacers..ect. Is it possible the drag assy spline boss is longer than the original??

    Anything you can think of that might fix the problem??
    Thanks... Bazz




    here is a final edition penn 30s international, straight out of the box via riverside marine. i've had quite a few of these come through in the last several months. popular reel, very tough. here's a link to the schematics....

    http://www.scottsbt.com/catalog/store/category1.aspx?SID=8&Category_ID=5774&ClearCache=1

    and here's the reel....

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    to rebuild these reel, you don't need much in the way of tools or supplies.

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    the first thing you need to do is shoot a bead of grease into every screw hole. we'll start by removing the quadrant (key #2) and screws (key #'s 31, 32 and 38b).

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    don't lose the two spacing bushings (key #157).

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    now you have access to all of the right side plate screws (key #'s 31a and 38a).

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    this part is really nutz! some of the screws are greased....

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    and some of them are not!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    so figure this. if these screws seize up, you will not be able to get the reel apart. let's put the right side plate back together again and open up the left side plate. all the left side plate screws (key #31A).

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    off comes the left side plate.

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    out comes the spool.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/100_0217.JPG

    out comes the spool shaft and bellevilles in a "()()" orientation.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/100_0218.JPG

    pull off the reel stand and grease everything.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/100_0219.JPG

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/100_0220.JPG

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/100_0221.JPG

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    grease the clamp screws (key #34).

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/100_0226.JPG

    and clean it all up.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/100_0228.JPG

    now we're going to open up the left side of the spool. back out the four drag cover screws (key #123). careful, it's spring loaded.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0231.JPG

    find the drag cover (key #156), four screws (key #123), the drag washer (key #117), the bearing spring (key #41). the bearing (key #20) and bearing sleeve (no key #).

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0236.JPG

    just for comparison, here is a dry old style penn ht-100 drag washer on the left, and the new dura drag from this reel. the weave is clearly different....

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0233.JPG

    and the new dura drag washer has "dura gel" on it. in this case, there might be a little too much "dura gel" in some places....

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0234.JPG

    and not enough "dura gel" in others.... i know it's hard to see, but in the photo below, the inside half of the drag is coated, and the outside half was missed! this half of the drag washer might now be suseptible to corrosion after salt water intrusion.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0235.JPG
     
  2. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    some of the right side bearings just pop out. others (like this one), have a bearing retaining ring (no key #) held in by the ratchet (key #81). don't try to just pound out the bearing without knowing which one you have first!

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    let's pull the right spool bearing. first remove the ratched (key #81) and screws (key #101).

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    and the retaining ring (no key #) and bearing (key # 20) will pop right out.

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    now, for the spool bearings....

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    these bearings have pressed in shields. i'm going to pry out the shields with the point of a small pen knife.

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    ok, now we have open bearings. here's the grease. it's very uneven. if salt water gets into these bearings, they will rust. no doubt about it. these bearing will be toast.

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    we'll clean out the old grease. now you have to decide. what will it be? your choices are corrosion x (sorry, in a reel x bottle), alan's secret sauce, shimano bearing grease, or yamaha engine grease.

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    if you want to use heavy grease, this is the way it has to be packed in.

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    my choice is to clean out the old grease and lube the bearing with corrosion x. let's just hope that the corrosion x people are correct about the quality of their product.

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    let's grease some screw holes and reinstall the right side plate bearing.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0248.JPG

    the bearing sleeve and left spool bearing go in through the other side.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0249.JPG

    here is the spool shaft (key #13), the bellevilles (key #18) and thrust washers (no key #).

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0250.JPG

    we're going to change the orientation of the belleville's from "()()"....

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0251.JPG

    to "(())" with a thrust washer.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0252.JPG

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    and into the spool it goes.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0254.JPG

    now for the drag washer. clean off any junk on the washer.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0255.JPG

    apply a thick coat of shimano drag grease to the the drag washer, paying particular attention to the edges where salt water might intrude.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0256.JPG

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0257.JPG

    now wipe down the drag washer, taking off ALL of the excess grease until it looks the same as a dry washer.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0258.JPG

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    grease the screw holes for the the drag cover screws.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0260.JPG

    i hope your thumb muscles are in shape. you need to press down on the drag washer and screw in the drag cover screws.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0261.JPG

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0262.JPG

    install the spool and make sure the gears mesh properly.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0263.JPG

    grease the frame screw holes.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0264.JPG

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    the long screw goes in at the 12 o'clock position.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0266.JPG

    the left side plate goes back on and you're done.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0267.JPG

    when i went to put the reel back in the box, i saw something that gave me a good chuckle.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0269.JPG

    when i started, this reel had three seconds of freespool. i don't know what the maximum drag at strike was (before losing freespool) because the reel had no line on it, but at that strike setting, the reel had only three seconds. i don't mean to harsh, well, who am i kidding, yes i do mean to be harsh. this reel didn't spin worth beans straight out of the box. now i have 20 seconds of freespool.

    http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/101_0270.JPG

    and some of you need freespool, and some of you do not. now, the drag washer would have been fine regardless. no problem there. the drag range alone would take two minutes to change. or change back. no problem here either. greasing the screw holes is a little picky, unless you're the guy trying to work on a reel that has seized up side plate screws. maybe by opening up the bearings, we decrease the likelyhood that water intrusion would make these bearings rust. maybe not.

    and if you have an old 30 international with bad freespool or sticky drags, now you know how to fix it!
     

  3. Bazztex

    Bazztex Senior Member

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    Alan

    Thank you very much for the detailed info on the Penn 30 overhaul.
    Perhaps I can re-adjust the washer stack and fix the drag problem, via your excellent tutorial.

    Bazz