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Does anyone have any experience ordering reels from these folks?

http://www.jualreels.com/

A buddy of mine is thinking about doing so--terms for international orders are direct money transfer--no credit cards--minimum order of $1,000.00. Reels are typically less than half the price here. I told I wouldn't do it on a bet, but he thinks the risk is worth it. I told him I would ask around. Any experiences? Thanks.

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Does anyone have any experience ordering reels from these folks?

http://www.jualreels.com/

A buddy of mine is thinking about doing so--terms for international orders are direct money transfer--no credit cards--minimum order of $1,000.00. Reels are typically less than half the price here. I told I wouldn't do it on a bet, but he thinks the risk is worth it. I told him I would ask around. Any experiences? Thanks.

Rus

My advice, stay away from it!

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the pricing is a little to cheap and would scare me. however if they ship a true shimano or penn product then go for it. see if you can get some feedback from anyone that has used that site. i used a guy in indonesia that was about 1 to 2 hundred cheaper than i could find in the states that required a wire transfer of funds and had no problelms with 2 separate orders. i was a little leary of those transactions but they went off with out a hitch. ymmv...rick
 

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the pricing is a little to cheap and would scare me. however if they ship a true shimano or penn product then go for it. see if you can get some feedback from anyone that has used that site. i used a guy in indonesia that was about 1 to 2 hundred cheaper than i could find in the states that required a wire transfer of funds and had no problelms with 2 separate orders. i was a little leary of those transactions but they went off with out a hitch. ymmv...rick

The reason I told you guys to stay away from it is because, you are probably supporting credit card fraud, this website might just be one what they use to launder tackles bought with stolen CC. I already have a few transactions from Indonesia buying high end stuffs in small quantities but when I probe further, they backed off...

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Something is wrong with those prices. $279 for a stella 20K. I've bought three on ebay over the last couple of months for an average of $535. Two came from overseas. I think Randy is right. Stay away. I might order something cheap just to see if the transaction works.
 

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The reason I told you guys to stay away from it is because, you are probably supporting credit card fraud, this website might just be one what they use to launder tackles bought with stolen CC. I already have a few transactions from Indonesia buying high end stuffs in small quantities but when I probe further, they backed off...

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That's the reason Gunsmoke is going into hibernation. Some guy charged 14 thousand bucks buying rugby shirts on one of his credit cards mid summer. Two weeks ago he had another 18 thousand charged to another card with some guy buying ipods. The sad thing is that the credit card companies let the transaction happen.
 

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Rick: This company name is actually Perintis Sarana Pancing PT (I'm guessing that "PT" is an Indonesian equivalent of "Inc" or "Ltd." Does that name by any chance ring a bell?

Randy and Mr. Bill: I understand what you are saying. And I would agree that if they are of that ilk, I wouldn't want to support them. Guess there is no way of knowing.

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It's too good to be true, as I understand most of Indonesian tackle store order their reel from Singapore, Malaysia and Japan. It can't be that cheap.

I have heard of this PT Perintis Sarana Pancing MEDAN 20362. Phone number 061-7940120
from friends in Indonesia but their price was never this cheap.

I will make a phone call to Indonesia and find out more.

Uncle Russ, PT is equivalent of Inc.
 

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Some hints on when and when not to order from the internet:

Something is fishy when:

(1) There is no contact number
(2) Can't pay by credit card or paypal and accepts only wires (once payment is through, there is no recourse)
(3) Prices are too good to be true

Mrbill, don't even give a cent to them, wire cost you 35bucks and the cheapest item is an Avet going for 89 bucks, give that to charity and you still get some tax relief... ;) give it to them, you won't even get a thank you!

Lastly, anything from Indonesia; better think twice. Navy in the day and pirates in the dark....

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Thanks, T.J. (and everyone else). Actually it appears they have a $1,000.00 minimum order--probably to prevent experiments with the smal stuff. And another thing that is really really fishy (pun intended) is their special offer: 20 reels, including several Tiagras, I believe, several Stellas, and several Trini 50 s for a flat $3,000.00. Sheesh. Anyway, I passed on the tips to my friend, and he is still toying with the idea of getting 3 other guys to go in with him to spread the risk and roll the dice. The pity is he has enough dough to consider it a roll of the dice. Ah me. And with my luck, it will work out for him, and I won't be able to gloat.

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mate - don't even go near this site. Scam sites in Indonesia are notorious in this part of the world. We see them popping up on ebay.com.au all the time before ebay closes them down. You see them selling all sort of high end things, particularly watches. It's a shame that people still get taken in on ebay by people with no history selling high end items.

The reels on this site are being sold below cost price. If something looks too good to be true............
 

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Folks,

I passed on your advice as well as my own--my friend sent an email to the company with--I don't know what questions. It was not returned. Nuff said. Thanks.

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Dudes,

I just donated 1239.00 to Jual Reels (Perintis Sarana Pancing) and was a fool. I am changing the account number of my bank- so far I have not been robbed of more than I donated. I was only hoping to buy 6 reels, sell 5 and have one for me. Alas.

I have since done a lot of homework and one thing to ask in these things is for a list of three references from the the U.S. with phone numbers. The other might be, and admittedly I don't know how it works, is to use an escrow company. There are several trading websites--alibaba.com-- is one and Perintis Sarana Pancing was once listed there and is now gone.

The jualreels.com website is slick as a button, but once I posted my wire transfer, I have not heard a word.

I pray I don't lose my life savings. There is a real Perintis Sarana Pancing who manufacture fishing hooks in Indonesia, I called them and that was a real treat-- the lady I spoke with felt compassion for me too, but the number for jualreels (011-62-61-777-25538) puts you into an automated voice in Indonesian. I have no idea what it said. I dang skippy never spoke to a human.

Ronald R., sales manager, was very nice until he had my money.

If my reels show up, I will post back. He has been in business since 2000. I figured it was okay. Welcome to the world of international commerce.

shoot me an e-mail if you have any more questions.
 

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I'm in Thailand and we see scams similar to this in this part of the world all the time. These people pray on peoples greed. If they really were that price they would have to be stolen, there is nowhere that sells that stuff that cheap legitimatley. We all know that right?

I'm sorry you lost your money but you really can't be that surprised can you?

I mean in order they could sell them that cheap they would have to be dishonest right?

So why would you transfer money to someone in one of the worlds top counrties for fraud when you already know that even if the deal is true that person is dishonest.

So eigher these guys have stolen from someone else to give to you cheap...........

Or they're just gonna steal from you.......

If it sounds too good to be true it's normally because it isn't.
 

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I too am sorry for your loss. When my buddy approached me with this, I will admit that I was tempted--but only for a moment. What the heck, I don't know what the markup on reels is--that having been said, coming from an economy like Japan's with such high wages, it is unlikely at best that their product would ever be discounted even half that much. The prospect that they might have been in the business of credit card fraud sealed the deal for me. Still, my friend was going to go ahead with the minimum order, until he tried the email which went unanswered. Pretty good indicator.

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You guys have to watch out and not give out personal infos to those indonesian store. They have a lot of carders (people who make fake visa/mastercard cards based on your info) and checks fraud. and if they insist on esrow, use established escrow such as escrow.com.

sometimes if it's too good to be true then it is :p
 

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Yeah another trick of these guys is to have the credit card section set up on the site, they will take the credit card details, then pretend that there is a problem with the site. You then are asked to transfer the money to their bank account. They will ask you for a few more personal details, they may say they need a passport scan or similar to clear the credit card problem.

They now have your cash that you transfered.

Your credit card details.

Some extra personal details (passport scan)

Your Address.

What they can do with all that info is pretty damn scary!!!
 
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