My new jigging reels: Accurate 87o two-speed and Penn Torque200

Discussion in 'Jigging and Popping' started by ksong, Apr 7, 2007.

  1. ksong

    ksong SPONSOR

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    Here are pictures of my new jigging reels which are going to be tested on the upcoming New Zealand trip.
    Both reels can generate over 30 lbs drag even though they are only 2/0 size reels. One distinctive difference between the reels is Accurate 870 is a lever drag reel while Torque 200 is a star drag reel.

    Contrary to Accurate's claim, Accurate 870 can hold barely 300 yards of Tuf XP 80 lbs braided line with little room for topshot. But the line capacity of 870 is better than Torque 200 which can hold only 260 - 270 yards of 80 lbs braided line.

    My jigging reels are getting lighter and smaller. I don't know it is because I am getting older or there are new compact, but powerful jigging reels available due to new technologies recently.
    I never thought a few years ago I could target 200 lbs tuna on these tiny reels, but it becomes reality. :)

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  2. rhale

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    I think that you will love the 870 2 speed. I have fished mine three times now and this is the last jigging reel that I will ever want or need.
    It handles big Jacks with no problem and is so light that you can jig all day without wearing you out. I just cant wait for some good weather so I can get out to the Tuna grounds to try it out on them.
    I will be interested to here which reel you end up liking more for jigging.
     

  3. ksong

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    rhale,
    how do you like two speed quickshift botton ?
    When I checked my first 870 two-speed, the two-speed button didn't work !
    I checked second one and the two-speed quickshift bottm worked, but I had to push it real hard. They definitely need some improvement on this part.
     
  4. Gunsmoke

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    Ksong,

    Are you serious about trying to tackle a 200+ tuna on these reels? I admit they are both well constructed and engineered, but I don't think they were meant to tackle the almighty 200+ Cows. I hope your fishing friends have a book to read while you hook up on a cow with these reels. I usually cut the line after 30 minutes if the angler can't get the fish to the boat. I might be able to believe a Torque 300 and an 665 two speed, but a 870 & TRQ200!!!!!!

    I looks like Accurate has changed that ball knob design since it's introduction on the Twinspin 30. It looks a little bit flatter on the end. I'd take it off and put a platinum handle on it. I like the 50-130 size platinum handles.

    It also appears that the 870 has a short length handle on it. If your really dreaming about 200+ tunas on these little reels, you might have a longer handle machined or have a good Capt. that can work the boat for you. The Torque is a great reel, but that single speed would be a nightmare on a heavy fish.

    If you ever catch a 200+ tuna on these little bitty reels, make sure your buddies buy you a huge trophy and a case of Johnnie Walker Blue.
     
  5. ksong

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    Gunsmoke, After I fought a few tuna over 200 lbs range on jigs, I got the confidence I can fight them on 2/0 size reel as I found they rarely takes over 200 yards of line on 25 lbs drag.
    As you know it is not reel size, but the light drag which takes time to land.
    I don't think anyone can land a 200 lbs tuna in 30 minutes on any reel if he uses only less than 20 lbs drag. :)

    I have no idea how good the ball knob is. If not, I'll get Accurate ATD 6/12 handle or Jigging Master's custom knob with longer handle.

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  6. Gunsmoke

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    20 RULE

    I have over the years developed Rule 20. It's very simple but it works on every species except Blue Marlin over 400 pounds.

    The rule is if you can put 20% of the fishes weight to drag, you will bring in the fish in 20 minutes.

    Example: A 200 pound tuna times 20% equals 40 pounds of drag. It should be at the boat in 20 minutes. A 100 pound tuna times 20% equals 20 pounds of drag and should be at the gaff in 20 minutes. A 300 pound marlin times 20% should be released in 20 minutes with 60 pounds of drag.

    I feel with this rule I am being very generous by giving the angler 30 minutes on a fish before I cut the line. This "Rule 20" assumes you have proper tackle including good crimps or knots. Noodle sticks do not work with this rule. I will cut off your fish before 30 minutes if you are using a limp rod and you can't gain line on your reel.

    If I see it is a big blue over 300 pounds when it takes the lure, I give the angler more time as 60 pounds of drag is the maximum most tackle and anglers can handle. I've seen and have also experienced up to 6 hours on a big blue at 60 pounds of drag. As long as the angler doesn't give up I will do anything I can with the boat to help him.
     
  7. ksong

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    I can land a 100 tuna within 15 minutes even I use 2/0 size reel and 8' long rod because I can give 25 lbs drag and I am pretty good at using the rail. :)
    However a 200 lbs tuna is a different story. Fist of all, the max drag I can give is about 25 lbs at strike as I have to use only 80 lbs braided line for line capacity problem with 2/0 size reel. If I use 665 instead, I have a chance to land a 200 lbs within 30 minutes as I can use 100-130 lbs braided line and can give over 30 lbs drag at strike.

    Can you give me 45 minutes before you cut my line ? :)
     
  8. feeder

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    I can land a 100 tuna within 15 minutes even I use 2/0 size reel and 8' long rod because I can give 25 lbs drag and I am pretty good at using the rail. :)
    However a 200 lbs tuna is a different story. Fist of all, the max drag I can give is about 25 lbs at strike as I have to use only 80 lbs braided line for line capacity problem with 2/0 size reel. If I use 665 instead, I have a chance to land a 200 lbs within 30 minutes as I can use 100-130 lbs braided line and can give over 30 lbs drag at strike.

    Can you give me 45 minutes before you cut my line ? :)

    Ksong - How much 130 braided can you fit on a 665? I know you said that at 25lbs of drag this keeps the 200lb fish at runs of around 200 yards. Doesn't this cut it kinda close?
     
  9. ksong

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    Ksong - How much 130 braided can you fit on a 665? I know you said that at 25lbs of drag this keeps the 200lb fish at runs of around 200 yards. Doesn't this cut it kinda close?
    I have no intention to use 130 lbs braided line on 665 because I don't have to land a 200 lbs cow within 30 minutes unless I fish on Gunsmoke's boat. :)
    I am quiet surprised the small Accurate 870 two-speed can get 300 yards of 80 lbs braided line as it looks smaller than Penn Torque.
    According to Accurate, the 665 two speed can hold 400 yds./65 lb. Spectra w/ 100 yds./50 lb. Mono Topshot. If it is true, I think the reel could get 300 yards of 130 lbs braided line, but they are not ACCURATE for their line capacity estimations. :)
    One solution is to use Japanese super PE (braided line) as the claim PE 10 (100 lbs)'s breaking point is close to 130 lbs. Again, I don't have any trust for their claim. :)
     
  10. rhale

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    rhale,
    how do you like two speed quickshift botton ?
    When I checked my first 870 two-speed, the two-speed button didn't work !
    I checked second one and the two-speed quickshift bottm worked, but I had to push it real hard. They definitely need some improvement on this part.


    Mine works fine but I do think that they could have made it a little heavier duty but I will have faith in Accurate's enginering and hope that it never breaks.
     
  11. Gunsmoke

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    Can you give me 45 minutes before you cut my line ? :)

    NO, Rule 30


    I'm a sporty guy. :p

    Rule 30: If you can't bring the fish to the boat in 30 minutes, the fish wins and can continue living his life at sea. :D
     
  12. ksong

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    NO, Rule 30
    I'm a sporty guy. :p

    If you can't bring the fish to the boat in 30 minutes, the fish wins and can continue living his life at sea. :D
    OK. then I have to change my tactics. :)
    I am going to use huge 9/0 or 10/0 treble hooks on my jig.
    Once tuna swallows the moster treble hooks, tuna can not fight long as it can not open or close its mouth. :)
     
  13. fishordie

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    Hi Kil,

    I will be placing 65 pound hollow spliced to 80 Pound hollow and then play with knotless splices of hollow to solid
    and back to hollow again. The intent is 65 underneath to 80 hollow to 80 solid for throwing. This will be on my 870 two speeds. My 665 two speeds I am not sure of yet as I will probably go with 80 pound hollow to 100# hollow and top with 100 pound solid. The idea is to maximize my line capacity, have spliceability and still have the solid going through the guides and eliminating wind knots.

    I am building a 6 ft long testing device for my solid to hollow connections. I cannot find anyone who has really put this joint to the test. If it turns out to be a very strong connection I can really play with hollow to solid to hollow for a truely knotless connection and use loop to loop short windons for connecting to my jigs or poppers.

    I am very busy right now but the tester is in the works.

    Jamie

    I have no intention to use 130 lbs braided line on 665 because I don't have to land a 200 lbs cow within 30 minutes unless I fish on Gunsmoke's boat. :)
    I am quiet surprised the small Accurate 870 two-speed can get 300 yards of 80 lbs braided line as it looks smaller than Penn Torque.
    According to Accurate, the 665 two speed can hold 400 yds./65 lb. Spectra w/ 100 yds./50 lb. Mono Topshot. If it is true, I think the reel could get 300 yards of 130 lbs braided line, but they are not ACCURATE for their line capacity estimations. :)
    One solution is to use Japanese super PE (braided line) as the claim PE 10 (100 lbs)'s breaking point is close to 130 lbs. Again, I don't have any trust for their claim. :)