Let’s Pump Like a Man...

Discussion in 'Jigging and Popping' started by GARRIGA, Jul 22, 2018.

  1. Viet_Swag

    Viet_Swag Well-Known Member

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    @GARRIGA what are the rod’s names from Jongsoo? Is Jongsoo a person or a rod company? I’m sorry I’m not familiar with these.
     
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  2. tugasangler

    tugasangler Fishing Guru

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    I think both
     

  3. Rare

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    kblue should be with you shortly... He is still playing sick still since his last trip.
     
  4. tugasangler

    tugasangler Fishing Guru

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    Thanks to all who helped .
     
  5. north coast

    north coast Senior Member

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    You’re a bad man.
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    I don’t care who made them, I’d love to get my hands on the 250g version.
    I’m guessing that shipping will make these cost prohibitive here in the states unless someone becomes a dealer and brings a mess of them over or Unless, of coarse, you’re very wealthy and don’t care what things cost.
    I really do like the bend in the lighter model here.
     
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  7. semipro

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    Kim ,they don't have it
    thx
     
  8. landlocked

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    Hearty Rise is all over alibaba someone is slamming the markup on these don't be a sucker

    also, a "hearty rise" may be mistaken for a boner, watch out!
     
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  9. jiggawhat

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    garriga what rod you looking for?
    temple reef bamboo 68-2 for sale
    not sure your strong enough though to handle it(that too is a joke)
     
  10. ballywho

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    Garriga, who exactly told you you can't use the rod to pump the fish when slow-jigging ? I think you have been too impressed by the Japanese Sensei...

    Here I'm fighting a mullet snapper -these things fight DIRTY- using heavy drag. IMO the Black Hole rods are among the best for "masculine slow-jigging":

     
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  11. GARRIGA

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    My understandng and I’ve asked for clarification often and yet to get a straight answer is that the BH rods don’t have as soft a tip as traditional SPJ rods. Why they are able to hold more drag. That’s not my interpretation. That’s what I’ve heard. Seems your rod bends closer to the tip than a moderately fast rod but could just be viewing on my phone screen.

    Got tired of waiting for the holy grail that can dance a jig and hold 30 so I went traditional and ordered two SPJ style rods along with three Challenger Banks. I think I’m covered. I’ll let the structure dictate which I use. In the end. It’s about bouncing a jig to get bit.

    Have to admit these Hearty Rise Rods show potential for my style of fishing but do they still have the tip to work a jig effortlessly. Don’t know. Also don’t know how much drag they are using. The Temple Reef I’ve purchased I’m told can hold 8 pounds.

    Technically, every rod can be pumped to its max drag with little concern for failure. Just being able to pump doesn’t satisfy my quest. Need to be able to move 30 plus with rod only to impress me. :)
     
  12. ballywho

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    what about one of our clients pumping and highsticking a Beat Propagate, one of the "purest" slow-jigging rods, very similar to the Poseidon if not a little bit more "noodle"...

     
  13. GARRIGA

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    How much drag used? I’m looking to move 25 pounds. That’s a lot of pounds for thin moderate fast rod. I’m told you need thin moderate fast to get proper load and resulting movement of the lure.
     
  14. ballywho

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    don't know but definitely not 25 lbs. That rod would have exploded in 12 pieces about mid-way up... I'd say he had about 12 pounds of drag (measured out of the reel).

    Don't listen to the hype too much. Some SP rods have an action more suited to work the lure, some more suited to fight the fish. One advantage is always a tradeoff with the other. All rods can be used for anything you'd like as long as you are able to adapt...
     
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  15. GARRIGA

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    That’s the point I’m always making. Gear for power and you sacrifice presentation. Why I went with G2/G3 for bouncing when fatigued back tells me to stop and Challenger Bank when I’m feeling good and want best chance to move a big fish off structure.

    Location most determines gear needs in my opinion. Not fishing wrecks or tall ledges with light gear and no need for BFT Tackle over barren ground. Would be excellent if the former could do both but that just doesn’t seem to be available yet. Never know. Technology always moving forward. Perhaps new advancements in material produce a blank that can do both. My holy grail.
     
  16. ballywho

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    You can use 25lbs of drag on a Black Hole slow jigging rod AND pump the fish providing you don't go much past horizontal position at the grip. Still an excellent rod for presentation of a slow-jig. I don't think I've ever heard of someone breaking one of those. I'm sure it can be done if you really apply yourself, but i fish as heavy drag on it as I would use with my speed-jigging, 65lbs setups without worrying at all. Not too far from the best of both worlds if you ask me...
     
  17. ballywho

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    On that mullet snapper in the video I'm probably using about 18/20 pounds of drag. I basically crank the star until it does not move any more and then back up until I hear one click. That's how I set the drag on the revo Toro Beast 61H for that outfit. The rod can actually handle more drag.
     
  18. GARRIGA

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    This is how typically fight with my rod and more often keep it at around 45 or less. Crank don’t yank but there are stubborn fish that sometimes require going above that 90 when under the boat.

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  19. ballywho

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    most modern rods will never break at horizontal / 90 position. I reckon it would take somewhere around 60 pounds or more of load to break the Black Hole in that position.
     
  20. GARRIGA

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    I was considering that rod but need spiral wrapped because I’ll likely be cod Jigging or the new trending label long fall. Have my eye on the 581 which is spiral wrapped. Just need more info and a few weeks to recover. I’ve spent way too much last few months. Cutting myself off. Lol