Jigs, and other lures

Discussion in 'Tackle and Rigging' started by TeamOso, Nov 26, 2006.

  1. TeamOso

    TeamOso Senior Member

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    Hey guys, I have settled on asking for a TLD 25 as my first reel. As some of yall know I am going out on December 29 for 48hr with DSH, and I was told we are gonna fish for AJ and grouper during the day and YFT and BFT at night.
    Knowing this and that this is my first reel tuna trip, what types of jigs and lures would yall reccomend I get?
    Also what colors, quantities, and sizes?

    Any help is great, but being new to this I would love specifics and techniques.


    Kevin
     
  2. MrBill

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    I went out on the gulf eagle a couple of weeks ago with great success. They will do their very best to fill up the fish boxes. I was very impressed with the crew. I wish the boat had rod holders, but besides that and the the bathroom the boat ran fine.

    I gather you are very young and lack funds. You really don't need much as far as jigs and hooks. Most of the people on the boat did not jig. The deckhands were jigging for blackfins to supply bait. They also had a huge box of 5/0 extra strong Eagle Claw circle hooks.

    If fact, I was the only guy using my own hooks. The hooks they supply work just fine. If you get bitten off by a cuda, don't worry as they will tie on a new hook for you. They will even tie all your knots if you are not experienced. If I were you, I'd let them tie all your knots and use their hooks. 90% of the people on the boat let the deckhands do it for them.

    You don't need any lures unless you plan to throw top waters. If you don't have any topwater plugs, buy the Tuna Hunter in a dark purple color. Two should be enough. As far as jigs, to keep it simple your first trip, buy a few chrome diamond jigs. 6 to 16 ounce. You might want to replace the standard treble with a 4X or 6X strength just in case a YF bites you.

    You also don't need any weights as they will supply you with the bottom rigs. I had a vase assortment of bottom rigs but did not need them as the trip was called short because of the heavy seas. I'd fill that TLD25 with 80 pound spectra. Make sure you put it on very tight with lots of cross wraps.

    You might be better off letting the line off the back of the boat as it is running out and retrieve it back. You want it very tight on the spool. Don't forget to lay down a few quick left to right cross wraps. I would do this at least 10 times especially at the bottom of the spool. Wear gloves as the spectra will cut your hands when doing the spooling. The deckhands will show you how, just ask. That's why they are on the boat. They aim to please.

    I'd also buy some 80 pound Fluorocarbon leader to top off the spectra. If your worried about the connection knot, just let a deckhand do it for you. Good luck on your first YF.
     

  3. bpitcher

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    I went out on the gulf eagle a couple of weeks ago with great success. They will do their very best to fill up the fish boxes. I was very impressed with the crew. I wish the boat had rod holders, but besides that and the the bathroom the boat ran fine.

    I gather you are very young and lack funds. You really don't need much as far as jigs and hooks. Most of the people on the boat did not jig. The deckhands were jigging for blackfins to supply bait. They also had a huge box of 5/0 extra strong Eagle Claw circle hooks.

    If fact, I was the only guy using my own hooks. The hooks they supply work just fine. If you get bitten off by a cuda, don't worry as they will tie on a new hook for you. They will even tie all your knots if you are not experienced. If I were you, I'd let them tie all your knots and use their hooks. 90% of the people on the boat let the deckhands do it for them.

    You don't need any lures unless you plan to throw top waters. If you don't have any topwater plugs, buy the Tuna Hunter in a dark purple color. Two should be enough. As far as jigs, to keep it simple your first trip, buy a few chrome diamond jigs. 6 to 16 ounce. You might want to replace the standard treble with a 4X or 6X strength just in case a YF bites you.

    You also don't need any weights as they will supply you with the bottom rigs. I had a vase assortment of bottom rigs but did not need them as the trip was called short because of the heavy seas. I'd fill that TLD25 with 80 pound spectra. Make sure you put it on very tight with lots of cross wraps.

    You might be better off letting the line off the back of the boat as it is running out and retrieve it back. You want it very tight on the spool. Don't forget to lay down a few quick left to right cross wraps. I would do this at least 10 times especially at the bottom of the spool. Wear gloves as the spectra will cut your hands when doing the spooling. The deckhands will show you how, just ask. That's why they are on the boat. They aim to please.

    I'd also buy some 80 pound Fluorocarbon leader to top off the spectra. If your worried about the connection knot, just let a deckhand do it for you. Good luck on your first YF.
    Solid advice, Mr. Bill.

    Kevin,
    grab some diamond jigs 6-12oz and if they provide the hooks that's about all you need. Jigging is fairly self explanitory and read some threads either on here or on 2cool with regards to chunking, there is some very good advice there.

    Your best bet is to go and learn. Watch what the successful fishermen are doing and immitate it. I'd say 90% of success, both in life as well as in fishing, is immitation. Find someone who's got it right and copy them. Once you have that down you can worry about improving it.

    Brad
     
  4. SkeeterRonnie

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    cant do any upgrades to a TLD25, go with a 30- or a 2speed 20.
     
  5. TeamOso

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    I went out on the gulf eagle a couple of weeks ago with great success. They will do their very best to fill up the fish boxes. I was very impressed with the crew. I wish the boat had rod holders, but besides that and the the bathroom the boat ran fine.

    I gather you are very young and lack funds. You really don't need much as far as jigs and hooks. Most of the people on the boat did not jig. The deckhands were jigging for blackfins to supply bait. They also had a huge box of 5/0 extra strong Eagle Claw circle hooks.

    If fact, I was the only guy using my own hooks. The hooks they supply work just fine. If you get bitten off by a cuda, don't worry as they will tie on a new hook for you. They will even tie all your knots if you are not experienced. If I were you, I'd let them tie all your knots and use their hooks. 90% of the people on the boat let the deckhands do it for them.

    You don't need any lures unless you plan to throw top waters. If you don't have any topwater plugs, buy the Tuna Hunter in a dark purple color. Two should be enough. As far as jigs, to keep it simple your first trip, buy a few chrome diamond jigs. 6 to 16 ounce. You might want to replace the standard treble with a 4X or 6X strength just in case a YF bites you.

    You also don't need any weights as they will supply you with the bottom rigs. I had a vase assortment of bottom rigs but did not need them as the trip was called short because of the heavy seas. I'd fill that TLD25 with 80 pound spectra. Make sure you put it on very tight with lots of cross wraps.

    You might be better off letting the line off the back of the boat as it is running out and retrieve it back. You want it very tight on the spool. Don't forget to lay down a few quick left to right cross wraps. I would do this at least 10 times especially at the bottom of the spool. Wear gloves as the spectra will cut your hands when doing the spooling. The deckhands will show you how, just ask. That's why they are on the boat. They aim to please.

    I'd also buy some 80 pound Fluorocarbon leader to top off the spectra. If your worried about the connection knot, just let a deckhand do it for you. Good luck on your first YF.

    Hey thanks for the advice, I just have a few more questions, but you hit the nail on the head, I am 15 and lacking my own personal stash of $$$.
    How many yards of 80lb should I put on>? Hollow? What connection knot should I learn? How long of a topshot? Is it possible to cast a TLD 25?
    Also I saw someething about the Big E running so fast that letting of line off the stern is impossible, this wouldnt be a problem on the Gulf Eagle, right?
    Last and final question, when letting the line off of the back do I put a weight or something off of the end?


    Thanks
    Kevin

    Ps- What backing on the reel should I put for the braid?
     
  6. SkeeterRonnie

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    kevin. what city are you in?

    Gulf Eagle will be fine for letting out your line to put tension on it... make sure you have your harness on.... its gonna put some drag on it... LOL!!!

    Get to know Tony, the deckhand- hes a wealth of knowledge and will hook up fish and hand them off to you(watch how far he can cast a topwater)...

    Capt keith (ol red beard as I call him..lol) is a neat old salt as well!! Hes actually not old .. but ya gotta keep him on his toes! Of you plan on fishing all your life, these are some of the guys you want to know.

    I dont know the other deckhand, as Jamie was the one that was always on our trips (he and Tony). They will be sleeping on your moves, so catch them on the way out, or when theres no action. If you dont ask, they wont know you dont need help....so be sure and speak up when you need one to help you. There IS NO stupid question.
     
  7. TeamOso

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    Thanks, I live in CC, just been on the dolphin this is the first DSH trip for me. I was gnna go on an 80hr with DD's, but this is when the pull em out. I hope it is as fun as people say.
     
  8. MrBill

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    Hey thanks for the advice, I just have a few more questions, but you hit the nail on the head, I am 15 and lacking my own personal stash of $$$.
    How many yards of 80lb should I put on>? Hollow? What connection knot should I learn? How long of a topshot? Is it possible to cast a TLD 25?
    Also I saw someething about the Big E running so fast that letting of line off the stern is impossible, this wouldnt be a problem on the Gulf Eagle, right?
    Last and final question, when letting the line off of the back do I put a weight or something off of the end?


    Thanks
    Kevin

    Ps- What backing on the reel should I put for the braid?

    Buy a 500 yard spool of 80 pound spectra. You really don't need hollow. If you don't want to use spectra, the TLD25 could be loaded up with 40 pound mono. Take it to Roy's and have them spool on Momoi Diamond 40. It doesn't break until around 60 pounds. That way you can set your drag to 20 pounds which will be plenty. Make sure you take some kind of rod belt. You don't need a harness. Don't put a weight on the end of the line off the boat. If the TLD has a pin on the spool, you don't need any backing. Tie to the pin and spool. I wouldn't try casting the TLD25. When the deckhands aren't busy, they are on the bow pulpit casting poppers. Just stand next to him and if he hooks up he will hand to rod to you.
     
  9. xs_tackle

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    1. Rigging/fishing AJ is a really different exercise/challenge from rigging/fishing for YFT. Whey you use the same rig for both you make some compromises. For AJ, the job is (a) to get down (1-3# of lead, depending on conditions) to where the good ones lurk; (b) get bit (stout hook; live bait--even 2-3 # ok); (c) lock the AJ down (really heavy drag and line strong enough to take it; meanwhile, you're walking the deck away from the rig) before he wraps you on structure. 2-spd reel makes a huge diff. on larger units. 80# line can do it and the reel you mentioned probably cannot take advantage of anything heavier. Otherwise, I'd prefer 130# line (and, it's cheaper than the 80!) For large AJ you don't need line capacity so much as powerful drag and heavy eqpt. I would not fish the reel for this purpose w/ mono only. For AJ, I don't use a topshot--the 8' or so of my 200-300# Momoi mono leader does well enough. And, altho I'm sure Mr.Bill has fished and caught more than I have, I would not use Momoi Diamond line in any color for any purpose other than trolling (if then).

    2. Tuna are another story. Tuna like to run long--100 yd runs not rare--AJ's run short and hunker down. Although it can be done; you'll have some difficulty casting the reel you mentioned far enough to do much with Tuna Hunters or Yummees/Frenzies (flying fish lures). The reel should work reasonably well for drifting baits or jigging. For YFT, you will need line capacity and drag that won't fade or seize with long runs and maybe lots of heat. For tuna, you'll rig much lighter (for stealth) and to facilitate casting, if you're going to do that. I'd use a10-25 yd topshot of 50-60# mono for throwing surface lures or up to 80# mono for drifting bait.

    As for loading the reel w/spectra. I don't know its capacity. JB recommends against the practice of using occasional cross wraps to prevent loaded spectra from digging into itself when under load. If you load it correctly, JB's right--but, you must load it under a constant 5-7#'s of strain. This leaves a hard mass of line which is hard to dent with your fingernail. Hard to do w/o loading it first onto one reel then onto the target reel using the drag on the first. Expect trouble on the water if you attempt to hand tension the spectra with one hand while you wind it on with the other hand. You'll eventually get a hard pull that'll bury the spectra in itself on the spool. Bye bye fishie and terminal tackle and maybe more if you don't hold on tight.

    When you load the 80# non-hollow spectra onto your reel, allow room to connect 100 yds of hollow spectra and pull a loop into the working end so you do not cast knots. BTW, I'd avoid any spectra which uses any non-spectra fiber or which has any color or waxy stuff in it. This is all trouble.

    There, that should stir things up a little.
     
  10. TeamOso

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    I think Ive opened a can o worms:D

    This is what Ive gathered, tell me if this isnt ok.

    80lb non hollow spectra.
    Thats the line Im gonna use, but considering im inexperienced what kind and how much of a top shot should I put?
    I dont care I have to change the top shot between AJ and tuna fishing, but what is gonna get the job done on a tld 25 with 80 JB????


    Kevin