HOLLOW SPECTRA , THE BENEFIT IS ...?

Discussion in 'Tackle and Rigging' started by bunile, Oct 11, 2007.

  1. bunile

    bunile Senior Member

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    HOWDY Y'ALL. I Need to get some education on the hollow spectra vs. plain solid type. I have the regular solid type and can usually tie up good connections. With 65lb. the knots are acceptable, and very strong. I have a big penn 50vsw that I recently aquired and was reading about a guy who got a 30vsw free from his daddy! I read that he put a 1/4 mile of spectra on it, hollow spectra and I bet he had a nice smooth connection on the top shot. I know that any knot tied on bigger than 60lb. mono is really clunky and big. Almost too big to pass through the top guides on my trolling rod !!! Is that the BEST DIFFERENCE between the solid vs. the hollow spectra ? The size of the knot? Is the line thinner ? (Not necessarily important , I have 3 times the line amount that I'll ever really need.)I would go like him and put 130lb spectra then an 80 or heck 130 top shot. I will probably try to learn the loop to loop style of pre- tied top shot wind ons? I would like to make switching from 80/ 100/120 possible with just slipping on a loop and not having to attempt tying a knot while the guys are reeling in big and bigger fish. IS THIS POSSIBLE ? Please give me some knowledge , I appreciate your time very much, thanks buddy !
     
  2. STx Fisherman

    STx Fisherman Senior Member

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    Get some hollow spectra...some needles and start practicing feeding the needles through the line. Once you get to a point where you feel comfortable feeding the needle through the line....you can eventually feed mono top shots into the hollow spectra. It's worth learning....you can get tips on how to go from there.

    There are a lot of 360 tunaheads that know a lot about hollow spectra and rigging. Maybe some of the guys will give you some tips.

    You can buy pre-made top shots and do loop to loop connections if you don't want to mess with making your own.
     

  3. etan

    etan Senior Member

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    Practice making the loop to loop connection with spare mono so that it becomes second nature with the real thing.
     
  4. Deep_Sea_Gull

    Deep_Sea_Gull Lifetime Supporting Members

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    The benefit of hollow core spectra is NO KNOTS. You can splice the line back together if you get a nick in it. You can add more line with just a splice. You can create an end loop with a splice. NO KNOTS equals 100 percent strength.
    check out this link for some great how to splice...
    Wind-On Leader Connections :: BHP Tackle

    Buy yourself some wind-ons from Basil. He makes the best.
     
  5. gman

    gman Senior Member

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    I concur Basil is the best, all my windons are his, and he even spools my reels for me with JB hollowcore. He is a fisherman first who knows what we need out there.
     
  6. Basil

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    Thanks for the props guys...here's a little info with some links; hope it helps.

    What sizes does Jerry Brown hollow spectra come in and what is the comporable mono size that they mimic

    Line One hollow spectra comes in 60-80-100-130-200-300-500-800-1000lb test. Mono equivalents are 20-25-30-40-60-130-200-300-400lb

    thinking of refilling next year with 75% braid with a top shot of mono...will be put on 50s... do you use uni to uni or Chinese finger?

    Since this is hollow line, a whole range of knotless connections and splices can be made. No knots to fail. As your mono topshot wears out, just replace it with another, yet keep that hollow backing on your reel for years to come. I have some reels going into their 8th season. The most I ever had to do is re-splice my end loop, or strip off 20-30 yards and splice on a new section of hollow line. Splice that is, no knot. 100% line strength.

    A common question is why can't I just insert the mono topshot right into my main line? After all, I only fish 80lb test. The answer is, yes you can do that but when it comes time to change that topshot, it will take you quite a bit of time to do it, and you won't be doing it on the boat. The second approach and the one I prefer is the use of a loop-to-loop connection. That is, splice a 100% end loop on the end of your reel's main line. This is not a bimini or some other knot, it is a way to invert the line into itself and then lock it, so the spliced end loop cannot pull out. Here is a link to an excellent 3 page thread on that topic.

    OK, once you have that loop on your reel, you put a second piece of spectra on the back of your mono topshot, with another loop. You can pre-make these in the winter or buy them pre-made, and have them ready to go. Changing a topshot using a loop-to-loop connection is simple and takes just under a minute. You can easily do this on a boat if you have to, getting you right back into the game with a brand new full reel of line, with no knots to fail.

    Still, some anglers go back and say, well that sounds like a lot of work too, and I’m still going to insert my mono right into the main line. That works, but like I said, you're not going to be changing that connection to easily if you have to. The rod will most likely be set into a rod holder until you get back to the dock. The other major advantage of L-2-L connections is the ability to connect hollow spectra backing to a mono topshot that you could not possibly insert into your main line. For example, a hot shark tournament setup developed by a very well-known NJ charter captain is using a 25-foot 530lb X-HARD wind-on leader connected to his reel's main spectra line via a L-2-L connection, crimped to his shark rig. No topshot at all. You would never be able to insert 530lb mono into your spectra, but with loop connections you have a wide range of options depending on what you're fishing for. After shark season, cut off the wind-on and loop on a topshot. Getting into a mad-dog bigeye bite and wish you had heavier line? Cut off that 80b topshot and loop on a 130lb'er in seconds. Snag a pot or tangle? Cut off the old, loop on a new. Taking your reels out west to do some long-range fishing with short heavy topshots? Same drill.

    Line One has just come out with a 100lb hollow braid line that will test well under 130lb for strict IGFA rule fishing, and still allow you to splice your connections. Spectra should be wound on tight, using 6-8lb of even, consistent drag. Use a Heiliger super-knot, aka double sandiego knot, for arbor connections.

    Tools required for working with this line and making your own splices are a good set of needles to insert mono, some #7 wire to make loop puller or line splicing needles, and some adhesives and serving tools. The point where the mono enters the spectra will have to be secured with what is known as a serve. Methods of serving monofilament to hollow spectra involve applying the traditional time-tested and still very good half hitches of waxed floss sealed with adhesive, or using an ultra thin spectra thread, applied under pressure, using a spinning bobbin. The result is a strong, low profile serve, designed to prevent the spectra from moving relative to the mono. The finger-trap will hold the mono inside the hollow line, but the serve is absolutely necessary to keep everything in place.

    One final note: Since it's so easy to replace your topshot, do it often!! Don't try to use the same topshot all season long. If you get into fish, tangles, etc, swap it out! It's the best and least-expensive insurance against failures. We all spend a ton of money to get out to the Edge, make sure that your line and connections are in the best shape possible so when that wolf-pack hits, you're ready.

    Basil Pappas
    BHP Tackle
     
  7. bunile

    bunile Senior Member

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    Really,really good advice. Thanks for giving me the Expert advice that I need. Wow, I've heard of "BASIL AND HIS GREAT WIND ON CONNECTIONS" and no way was I expecting the real guy to reply to my post. I am feeling a deep desire to at last get a big yellowfin to bite on a hook that I'm connected to. I will be going on a San Diego based boat (EXCEL...?) if I can just get up more "LONG RANGE" fishing smarts. It won't be that hard to do if I can get the best advice like you have alredy been known for. THANKS ALOT BUDDY !!! NEXT YEAR "THEY WILL COME"
     
  8. Ragman

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    If you go on the Excel, you'll learn more on that trip about rigging and tackle than spending 5 years on fishing boards.

    Good luck, but post any questions you have here so we can help you be as prepared as we can.
     
  9. SpecialK

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    Can anyone give a good description of how to preform a correct "serve"when making a topshot? I am pretty confused as this seems to b common knowledge and left out of the process/instructions I have been reading...
     
  10. SkeeterRonnie

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    I serve my connection.. by first pulling the connection as tight as I can get it... then you have to clamp/hold it in place somehow... NOw I take kevlar thread(fly shops carry it, also in the fly shops at Bass Pro/Cabelas).. then I wind it on the connection as tight as I can. there a trick, that rod builders use on the wraps.. you bend a piece of thread and lay it long ways- so when you are done wrapping, you stick the tag end through the exposed loop in that piece you laid down, then pull= and it puts the tag end back in the wrap. then I use the jb adhesive to coat all the tread. gives a very small, knotless, "super" connection....

    the serving process is very similar to wrapping a guide on a rod... at least the part where you pull the tag end back through... this is a good bit of info to have anyways, in case you have to do an emergency guide replacement 100 miles offshore.....

    Fishingnw.com › Rod guide repair
     
  11. DeepBlueGulf

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    SKR covers it pretty good, the only detail I'll mention is that you want to make sure that your kevlar or spectra used for serving is "un-waxed" so that your adhesive sticks to it. I've used 25lb Power Pro spectra and unfortunately it was waxed and the JB adhesive didn't stick to it all that well.

    Also, if you plan on making quite a few topshots, you'll want to make up a jig for tying and serving. Snagged has a nice wooden one that he made up, maybe he can post a picture of it. A jig makes it much easier and faster to serve.


    Tom - DBG
     
  12. SpecialK

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    What about the other end you cut off the "spool"or whatever the kevlar comes on?
     
  13. SpecialK

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    SKR covers it pretty good, the only detail I'll mention is that you want to make sure that your kevlar or spectra used for serving is "un-waxed" so that your adhesive sticks to it. I've used 25lb Power Pro spectra and unfortunately it was waxed and the JB adhesive didn't stick to it all that well.

    Also, if you plan on making quite a few topshots, you'll want to make up a jig for tying and serving. Snagged has a nice wooden one that he made up, maybe he can post a picture of it. A jig makes it much easier and faster to serve.


    Tom - DBG
    Cool! I would really like to see the jig, I have no idea what you are talking about or how it would help haha...
     
  14. DeepBlueGulf

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    Your kevlar or spectra used for serving should be spooled on a serving tool. Usually you can find those at a Cabela's or BPS. I think it is an archery tool that you can load your kevlar on and then also adjust the amount of tension that you have to use to pull line off of it. That's how you make sure you have a good tight serve. Hope that was the answer you were looking for.

    PM Snagged and ask him to post a picture of his. Neat tool.

    Tom - DBG
     
  15. SpecialK

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    Thats exactly the question I was asking...
    Now I just need a place in Austin to buy hollow spectra from and I can start practicing... Unfortunately I don't hink there is one...
     
  16. SkeeterRonnie

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    10' section of 300# JB Hollow be enough to practice with.... PM me your address and I will throw it in an envelope real quick, and get it mailed today....
     
  17. Grescobia

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    If you would go to charkbait and go to braided lines there is as good a description on making connections with braided lines as there is. The benefits of braided lines and the difference between hollow vs solid. Most popular braids are 8 weave or spiral. They now have braids that have 18 weaves but is too expensive for my pocket book
     
  18. Angler Systems

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    Has anyone used both Jerry Brown hollow spectra & Power Pro hollow spectra and can comment on each?

    Thanks...
     
  19. bunile

    bunile Senior Member

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    both can work when properly served.