Hammered Diamond Jigs .....

Discussion in 'Tackle and Rigging' started by awesum, Jun 25, 2008.

  1. awesum

    awesum Senior Member

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    After reading about the success of Kil and others catching grouper with hammered diamond jigs recently I couldn't resist the urge to order some. I ordered some 8 oz. and 10 oz.. They arrived yesterday. :)

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    I'm not sure I got the best brand but they came with whimpy hooks and a swivel that looks suspect to me.

    So before I start snipping off hooks and swivels I would like to poll the readers here as to how you rig them for grouper.

    Questions I might ask are ....

    Can you just rig it with an assist hook like a butterfly jig?

    Do you replace their hook with a stronger live bait version by adding a split ring to the swivel (what size?)?

    Or maybe a 4/0 4X (6X?) treble hook (i can see a big grouper mauling this)?

    If their swivel is good what about using that on the leader end?




    Many thanks for your opinions.


    Bobby
     
  2. BretABaker

    BretABaker Guest

    where did you order them from, and which model did you order?
     

  3. etan

    etan Senior Member

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    I have been using hammered diamond jigs since 2000. Mine are probably the same brand you have. A 61# wahoo almost straightened the hook on one of them. I have started rigging mine with an assist hook and taken everything else off. I think they work just as well and you don't have to worry about the ring pulling out of the jig. Lets go fishing!
     
  4. Uncle Russ

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    Bobby: Not much experience here, but passing on what I have read from others-- and what I have done myself--correct or not. I know assist hooks are definitely used, and I have rigged mine all 3 ways--I am leery about split rings. I had a few (non-hammered) that had excellent welded rings and the wimpy treble or Siwash. so to get the hook off I had to cut the ring and replace it with a split ring.

    The only really good split rings I have are Japanese.

    I have the same question about the swivel--i.e., if you DO use it, should you put it on the line end or the (bottom) hook end? If the former and you use assist hooks, then you would still have the split ring to the solid ring onto which you tie your leader and the assist hook(s). So this way, the strength of the swivel would make no mor difference than the strength of the split ring. That is one thing I like about using assist hooks.

    I know Kil has said how he rigs his, but like Bill Clinton, I just don't remember.
     
  5. Snagged

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    I got some from jigs rigs and stuff in their tuna configuration, the standard is more for blues and stripers.
    Using assist hooks works very well also.

    jigsrigsandstuff.com
     
  6. Jason4606

    Jason4606 Tuna Club member

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    Sorry I'm not an expert on the rigging question. I ordered the tuna version and they sound pretty stout. Waiting for them to show up to take a look.

    But just as an FYI... When I ordered the tuna jigs from Jigs, rigs and stuff's eBay store (One Stop JIG Stop), I also got some of the hammered sardine jigs that aren't on their regular website. Available in 2, 3, 4, 5.7, 7.7 and 9.7oz. I'll post up pics when they get here but take a look below:

    Hammered Sardine tuna, wahoo, striper 3-jigs, 9.7oz ea - eBay (item 180252255175 end time Jul-09-08 17:54:15 PDT)

    Jason
     
  7. Formula4Fish

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    Bobby,

    I was using one of those at Nobel Clyde and got a good strike on it. It wasn't the hook that straightened or the swivel that parted. It was the bottom ring that the swivel is attached to that failed when it pulled right out of the jig. I've since, been rigging them with assist hooks.

    Dick
     
  8. Bellyups

    Bellyups Senior Member

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    Jason, those hammered sardine jigs look pretty interesting. I also like saying "hammered sardine" for some reason. I don't know if it is because it reminds me of drinking or if it is the thought of stepping on and squashing thawed sardines on the Big E or other party boats.

    Looks like assist hooks likely will give you the most confidence as long as a toothy creature doesn't stop by.
     
  9. BretABaker

    BretABaker Guest

    i have the tuna version and they will hold up fine. it is what we caught all of our grouper on the big e a couple week ago. the hooks will hold up to tuna just fine.
     
  10. xs_tackle

    xs_tackle Senior Member

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    . . . I have started rigging mine with an assist hook and taken everything else off. . . .

    Nate,

    1. Assuming you use jigs of various lengths, how do you determine hook size, number of hooks to use and cord length of each (even the ready-mades come in different hook sizes and cord lengths); do the answers vary according to the length or weight of the jig?

    2. On a longer jig, would you attach one or more assist hooks to the tail end of the jig? It seems that if you didn't, you'd miss hookups when the jig was falling (and your front-end assist hooks were fluttering above the jig, near the line).
     
  11. BretABaker

    BretABaker Guest

    i would just use the hammered diamond jig as is, it has caught thousands of tuna and other species. for grouper, it makes much more sense for the hook to be on the bottom. i missed several fish while using knife jigs with normal assist hooks.

    While I see some people using multiple assist hooks, I don't think this is normally necessary.
     
  12. etan

    etan Senior Member

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    I just use one assist hook. I used to use 2 but sometimes I'd hook a fish on each hook. I guess the second fish is trying to get the lure away from the first and hooks up also. You know me, I'm lazy and don't want too much action. I tie my own assists and replace them after each trip. Each one is custom made for the particular iron no longer than halfway down. I read somewhere that when the fish opens its mouth to suck in the bait that the first thing that goes into it is the assist because of its light weight. I don't seem to miss many fish.
     
  13. Uncle Russ

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    Also, to pass on something I have read numerous times from Kil (who is no doubt in Alaska right now hauling up Halibut, spare tires and old car bodies :D ) in his opinion, the assist hooks are what the fish frequently strike at first--I suppose because they are so light weight and are waving around.

    Russ
     
  14. crazyjigr

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    I've noticed that those "hammered sardines"LOL.. are also a little soft I sometimes put a slight bend in the jig to change the action, I haven't had any rings pull out I thought they are through wired or swivels break but the hooks are useless for any big fish.
     
  15. xs_tackle

    xs_tackle Senior Member

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    I just use one assist hook. . . .

    Use only one; roll yer own. That sounds way too economical to be good fishing advice; but, I'll try it. Thanks.

    Jep
     
  16. Snagged

    Snagged Senior Member

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    Jep,
    Making your own is easy and much better than watching the boobtube.
     
  17. Jason4606

    Jason4606 Tuna Club member

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    I'm sure the fishies can't tell the difference. But for a couple bucks more each, I had to check out the hammered sardines anyway! They do look really good! As you can see the hardware is similar on both styles and plenty stout...
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    From Left to Right: 9.7oz sardine, 10oz. tuna diamond, 7.7oz sardine, and 8oz tuna diamond from jigs rigs and stuff.

    If I get really bored I may swap the sardines to assist hooks and leave diamonds alone to see if there's any difference in hookups. (Really doubt that I'll mess with them though.)

    Thanks!
    Jason
     
  18. Drifter

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    I ordered the hammered tuna style in 10 and 14 ounce and will use my own split rings, solid rings, and assist hooks.