Good Luck Guys at the TPWD meetings !!

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  1. STx Fisherman

    STx Fisherman Senior Member

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    Good luck guys....let them know that we're not happy about the possible "loss of integrity" that the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife will suffer if they bow down to the environmental trust(s), (particularly the PEW trust), that the federal government is accomodating.

    I will be in Florida test driving a Cape Horn 31 ft. offshore boat that I intend to buy, or else I would be at the meeting in Port A on Wednesday night.

    If I spend this much money on a boat and lose the ability to fish at my own will...with restrictions, limits, and other containment scenarios under the forced direction of environmentalists and the commercial industries that are not proportionally limited, then I will more than likely lose my pride of being a Texan.

    One would think that President Bush and Governor Rick Perry understand this pride and love of fishing. Both President Bush and Governor Perry need to think hard about losing one of our separable distinctions of being true Texans....the love and freedom of fishing!

    I hope that we are successful in our push to separate commercial red snapper fishing from recreational red snapper fishing and protect our rights to catch fish and enjoy the hard earned money that we have put into our favorite pastime.

    I also hope that our children/grandchidren may have the same opportunity to enjoy fishing as we have. The cost of fuel required to participate in offshore fishing is enough to kill the pastime without our government's help.

    If Teddy Roosevelt were still alive......he would be fighting right alongside us....and would probably join us on a fishing trip.
     
  2. awesum

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    Good luck on your trip .... hope the sea trial goes well.

    Don't worry .... we plan to tell them at the scoping meeting that Richard Everett is buying a new boat so they just can't let this happen.

    That oughta swing 'em.....:rolleyes:
     

  3. BretABaker

    BretABaker Guest

    for those of us who don't know - what are the major issues?
     
  4. awesum

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    for those of us who don't know - what are the major issues?

    Hi BAB,

    As you know in Federal waters .... beyond 9 nautical miles .... the NMFS has greatly reduced the season and bag limits on Red Snapper. They're now pushing for a 2-16" fish limit to be taken only between June 1 and Sept 30.

    For years the TP&W has defied the feds by leaving Red Snapper fishing open year-round and retaining a 4 fish 15" limit in state waters .....within 9 nautical miles. Now federal regulators are saying they want the state to go along with them and mirror their regulations and that the states regulations shouldn't differ from theirs. If successful that would mean we can only retain 2 fish that are 16" long and can only fish for them for something like 122 days of the year.

    While I think the Red Snapper issue is the main thing with most of us the feds are also pushing for a no retention rule on Blacktip Sharks. Now I don't like sharks, I don't fish for them nor do I keep them, however, there are those among us who do. So we will join the fight for them.

    The third issue regards the Menhaden commercial seining industry. Menhaden are a very vital fish to our ecosystem. They are known to consume microorganisms that cause such maladies as Brown Tide and Red Tide. Maintaining a healthy menhaden population is a must. This is not even to mention their importance on the food chain and as bait. As of now it's my understanding that the biggest concern about this issue is in waters up the coast around the Sabine Pass area but the fear is that more boats will be brought in and they will eventually affect our part of the coast as well.




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  5. BretABaker

    BretABaker Guest

    I see - I figured the snapper issue was a part of it, didn't know about the bunker issue.

    I fish for sport, meaning that keeping fish isn't my number 1 priority. That being said, I like keeping fish to eat and think people should have that right within reason. I'm all for conservation, but we need to look at who really needs to be cutting back. Me keeping a handful of red snapper or tuna or a couple sharks a year isn't putting a dent in the population. Commercial guys who slaughter tons and tons of fish (as well as by-catch) are the ones damaging the fisheries.

    Recreational fishing generates a ton of revenue. Governments are more reluctant to cut commercial industries because "it's someone's livelihood". Well - why don't they make the jump to charter/party boat services?

    Additionally - the problem could be better regulated by restricting the methods of commercial fishing. I don't know all the ways they fish down here, but things like long-lining and drag netting are really poor ways of fishing.

    Oh, one more thing - I dont have a problem conserving more and adhering to limits, I just have a problem with the fact that not everyone has to play by the same rules.
     
  6. SkeeterRonnie

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    any kind of legal enforcement/restriction lets the feds get closer to governing all the state waters. its like a plague, once they get in and get a good footing- they will take charge. it will then be al about commercial, and the recreational fisherman will be the ones that pay the price. Money, Power, and Greed is what the NMFS is revealing to me.
     
  7. BretABaker

    BretABaker Guest

    any kind of legal enforcement/restriction lets the feds get closer to governing all the state waters. its like a plague, once they get in and get a good footing- they will take charge. it will then be al about commercial, and the recreational fisherman will be the ones that pay the price. Money, Power, and Greed is what the NMFS is revealing to me.

    right - thats my problem. recreational guys take the brunt of the blame, and are responsible for little of the damage.
     
  8. awesum

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    Skeeter, BretA ...... may we speak for you guys tonight???? :) :)
     
  9. Gunsmoke

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    Awesome,

    Thanks for the effort. Unfortunately, you will be speaking to a brick wall. You can talk all you want but they have already made up their mind. Cash made the rules. Recreational fisherman don't pay the right people. Give um hell.
     
  10. fathom

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    I fish for sport, meaning that keeping fish isn't my number 1 priority. That being said, I like keeping fish to eat and think people should have that right within reason. I'm all for conservation, but we need to look at who really needs to be cutting back. [/QUOTE]

    Bret,

    You fish for the right reason!

    There have been a lot of rash statements about commercials and the snapper situation that just don't hold water.

    I got a call last week from a old friend that has been a charter capt. and had a 200lb. snapper permit under the derby system. he valued this permit for winter time to make ends meet. under the new rules his ifq is 1500lbs. for the year. I asked him how it was under the new rules and he told me that even though this was half of his usual commercial take he made more money! He made his quota in 1 1/2 day trip, burnt only 50 gal. fuel and sold it at a higher price. next year his quota will be reduced to 1000lb.
    I then asked how the new 2 fish rule affected his charter buisness. His reply was that people still want to go fishing for the right reason and that the 2 fish limits this season were of greater quality and size.
    The real commercial threat is pogie boats, longlining, and
    rascals that have no intention of following the rules.

    Just an observation from the middle of the road.
     
  11. SkeeterRonnie

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    darn tootin! tell em to call me on my cell if they REALLY want to hear about them interfering with my future childrens ability to experience the outdoors. (817)903-1024 ~~!!!! just forewarn them, i dont speak "pc"- it comes out pretty stout when I am irritated.
     
  12. Fishhead56

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    I went to the Galveston County meeting last night.
    2 hours to cover all the topics was not enough time.
    7:00 to 7:40 was on Black tip shark retention.
    7:40 to 8:10 was on snapper subject then a push
    by the TPW host to move to Medhedenn
    harvest.
    Hands were still raise to speak on the snapper issue
    including mine,,,I told them thank you for their time
    and left,,,
     
  13. SkeeterRonnie

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    they dont care. and it shows. money, money, money...
    sure, there are other fish to harvest- BUT, once they get thier foot in- they WILL take over and do the same with other fish. sickens me-
     
  14. awesum

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    I went to the Galveston County meeting last night.
    2 hours to cover all the topics was not enough time.....Hands were still raise to speak on the snapper issue including mine,,,I told them thank you for their time
    and left,,,


    At previous meetings I have attended, particularly those hosted by the feds, we signed up to speak when we signed in and they would call your name when it was your turn. This was done regardless of how big the crowd was or how long it took. From what you are saying I gather they aren't doing that this time.:mad:
     
  15. Snagged

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    .[/QUOTE]
    I got a call last week from a old friend that has been a charter capt. and had a 200lb. snapper permit under the derby system. he valued this permit for winter time to make ends meet. under the new rules his ifq is 1500lbs. for the year. I asked him how it was under the new rules and he told me that even though this was half of his usual commercial take he made more money! He made his quota in 1 1/2 day trip, burnt only 50 gal. fuel and sold it at a higher price. next year his quota will be reduced to 1000lb.
    .[/QUOTE]
    And too darn many of them are not reporting that they have reached their limits, then go out and catch some more.
     
  16. fathom

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    Snagged,

    That would be the rascals....
     
  17. shanker

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    Im going to put it in this thread because I dont want to start a new one, but a member of the Gulf Council was quoted as saying "This is not a Democracy" Although that was taken out of context and I dont thing he meant for those words to come out in that order, but the room was FLOORED by that statement!
     
  18. Pope

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    It isn't a democracy. We don't vote for the members of any board or council. We also don't vote on the laws or quotas. We have voice and right to descent. That is all.
     
  19. TeamOso

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    Ya well the hotshot there tonight was pretty pompous and really could have cared less about what anyone had to say. The entire time was spent trying to get SOMEONE to have a dissenting opinion from the majority. I wont be surpirsed when they bow to the fed, also the main guy "Art" really didnt seem to know much about any of the research, didnt seem to even know what he was talking about, after getting beat up a little bit on snapper and shark the main guy had to try to take control.

    Our voices were heard and the numbers tell it all, but like most have said you would be surprised what a little bit of money can do!

    Kevin
     
  20. Snagged

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    The meeting went better than I expected. Jim Smarr from the RFA just told me that the commisoners were pleased with the turnout and the response.

    That skinny jerk is trying for a job with the Feds or that commericial outfit.