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HJ will tell you to "follow the science", however if his science were true, there would be a scientific way to calculate the quota attained for recreational fishermen and not some random guess provided by a 17 year old red snapper census taker at the dock or an app that doesn't work half the time.
There is a method to get the results you want.
FISH TAGS

Maybe one day you will get your wish for more accuracy.


Let's review
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Red Snapper Yearly quota in fish = 30,000
SW Anglers in Texas
= 950,000

950,000
fishermen
30,000 fish


Will be so exciting to apply for the RS lottery when you
apply for your state license,
to see if you get a fish tag or two so you can harvest a red snapper or two this year,
probably have an additional fee for your fish tag/stamp.
No tags this year, will just make the lottery the following year even more exciting.

Maybe the state will make them transferrable,
and then if you don't win one in the lottery,
you can buy one on Ebay in the secondary market.

BRING ON THE SCIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yeah but, with 3x fish, you're wrong HJ.
Quota 30,000 fish times 3x more = 90,000 fish
950,000 anglers
90,000 fish
10+ anglers for each fish.

Yeah but, we really should get more than 3x fish.
Quota 30,000 fish times 30x more fish = 900,000 fish
950,000 anglers
900,000 fish
Yeah! almost 1 fish per angler per year!!!!
Good times have arrived for sure.
 

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In Cali when we fought the MLPA's (and won) most people where shocked to see who sided with the fish huggers to shut down fishing... Japanese and Russians where at the top of the list, then came domestic Pork growers (Chinese), then came commercial fisherman...
While we wait for Mike Lindel, Sydney Powell and yourself
to release the evidence :)

I am really curious, and can't figure out why
the Japanese and Russians,
and most curiously, the US based pork farms that are Chinese owned,
would be interested in and somehow benefit from the MLPA.

Less fish to harvest, more pork eaten?
Really would like to know why the foreign owned pork people got involved.

With the JAP/RUS involvement, was that pork industry related too,
or some other industry, or government meddling?
How do/did they benefit from this?
Less domestic fish caught, more needs to be imported?

And if you have the time,
why would the commercials back the MLPA formations,
which would restrict their ability to harvest seafood in certain areas,
and cause other issues for their businesses as well.
How do they benefit from less access?
While I find this confusing,
the pork industry connection is far more fascinating to me.

Thank you in advance for your response.

:)
 

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There is a method to get the results you want.
FISH TAGS

Maybe one day you will get your wish for more accuracy.


Let's review
TEXAS
Red Snapper Yearly quota in fish = 30,000
SW Anglers in Texas
= 950,000

950,000
fishermen
30,000 fish


Will be so exciting to apply for the RS lottery when you
apply for your state license,
to see if you get a fish tag or two so you can harvest a red snapper or two this year,
probably have an additional fee for your fish tag/stamp.
No tags this year, will just make the lottery the following year even more exciting.

Maybe the state will make them transferrable,
and then if you don't win one in the lottery,
you can buy one on Ebay in the secondary market.

BRING ON THE SCIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yeah but, with 3x fish, you're wrong HJ.
Quota 30,000 fish times 3x more = 90,000 fish
950,000 anglers
90,000 fish
10+ anglers for each fish.

Yeah but, we really should get more than 3x fish.
Quota 30,000 fish times 30x more fish = 900,000 fish
950,000 anglers
900,000 fish
Yeah! almost 1 fish per angler per year!!!!
Good times have arrived for sure.
I'd love for you to come to Texas and count the number of red snapper anglers...it's NO WHERE in the ball park of 950,000. Unfortunately THAT'S how the math is calculated for recreational anglers. By the way...I know you can travel a half hour and get out of New York...it takes 30 minutes to get to the 7-11 here. You can drive halfway to California and STILL be in TX. You think all the anglers north of Austin are fishing daily for red snapper? Ridiculous. By the way...you can stick the fish tags...just another power grab.
 

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By the way...I can bet the number of recreational anglers in TX targeting red snapper is in the 9-10,000 max and only a small percentage get out more than a few times in the season. I'm still wondering what it is with liberals and the inability to do common math. Maybe Biden's 3 trillion dollar boondoggle can be paid for with your red snapper math skills.
 

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I'd love for you to come to Texas and count the number of red snapper anglers...
it's NO WHERE in the ball park of 950,000.
950,000 number comes from
SW LICENSES SOLD BY THE STATE OF TEXAS.
So, that number is obviously accurate.
Not sure you are aware,
but there are 30 MILLION people in the great state of Texas.
With 10 million living within 30 min of the coast.

For comparison, there are only 8 million socialist liberals in NYC,
and 12 million more living in long island and upstate.
Texas has 350 miles of shoreline on the gulf,
New York has over 1800 miles of shoreline.

Lots of Texans squeezed into a short 350 mile coastline,
I thought everything was bigger and better in texas.


By the way...I can bet the number of recreational anglers in TX targeting red snapper is in the 9-10,000 max and only a small percentage get out more than a few times in the season.
Red Snapper the MOST POPULAR AND ICONIC fish in the GOM.
10,000 RS anglers would represent 1% of the licensed anglers in the state.
Makes total sense that only 1% of the fishermen will target the most popular fish.
:LOL: :ROFLMAO: :rolleyes: :ROFLMAO:

Let's pretend you are right,
30,000 fish
10,000 RS anglers
3 fish per angler per year.


Maybe Biden's 3 trillion dollar boondoggle can be paid for with your red snapper math skills.
The greatest president of all time, started his term with the
US being $20 Trillion in debt. Promised he, and only he could pay it down.
During the "greatest economy of all time", pre covid, the debt rose to $25 Trillion,
during the greatest economy under the greatest president ever.
Finishing his term, with the country $29 TRILLION in debt, up $ 9 Trillion,
or almost 50% in 4 years under trump. Burned/lost through $9 Trillion being great.
Kind of like bankrupting a casino in a year,
genius level math skillz for sure.


PS> I had thought Garriga was the King of Misinformation
and being wrong most consistently. He comes off as a complete rookie
compared to you, amazing, didn't think that was possible.
Learn something new everyday on the internet.

PPS> As much as a putz/googan/clown I though Garriga was,
he wasn't a clown enough to stiff arm fish in pictures,
will at least give him that respect.

PPPS> Maybe the Chinese owned pork producers, Japanese and Russians
are behind this Red Snapper fiasco. They might want to shut you out
like they did to anglers in California. Consult with D-C on this,
he can fill you in, and tell you how to "win" a fight against them.
:)

Have a HAPPY EASTER
 

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950,000 number comes from
SW LICENSES SOLD BY THE STATE OF TEXAS.
So, that number is obviously accurate.
The point being is just because you have a saltwater license, that doesn't mean that you catch or keep red snapper. I buy a SW stamp every year and haven't kept a red snapper in over 30 years and I am not alone. I buy the stamp so I will have it if I decide to go offshore. I believe that the majority of the SW license holders are bay fishermen and never go offshore, so counting SW stamps is an inaccurate way to count who is fishing red snapper.
 

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The point being is just because you have a saltwater license, that doesn't mean that you catch or keep red snapper. I buy a SW stamp every year and haven't kept a red snapper in over 30 years and I am not alone. I buy the stamp so I will have it if I decide to go offshore. I believe that the majority of the SW license holders are bay fishermen and never go offshore, so counting SW stamps is an inaccurate way to count who is fishing red snapper.
You can't tell HJ. The very fact that he's applauding Biden shows two things- he couldn't do math if he had a calculator tied to his ass and he obviously is delusional. I'd invite him fishing again but I'm sure he gets seasick on the bay and the only real fishing he does is trolling online.
 

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The point being is just because you have a saltwater license, that doesn't mean that you catch or keep red snapper. I buy a SW stamp every year and haven't kept a red snapper in over 30 years and I am not alone. I buy the stamp so I will have it if I decide to go offshore. I believe that the majority of the SW license holders are bay fishermen and never go offshore, so counting SW stamps is an inaccurate way to count who is fishing red snapper.
Well, I agree with you.
My point of showing there is 950,000 licenses was two fold.
First, Mr. Stiff Arms estimation of 10k RS anglers, which would
represent about 1% of SW anglers is wildly inaccurate for the most popular fish.
Even a conservative 20%, would put us at 200,000 anglers for 30,000 fish.

Second point, would be the laws, where all licensed anglers are afforded
equal opportunity. With FISH TAGS, which provides the ACCURACY that
stiff arms is constantly asking for on the rec side,
if there are not enough tags to go around,
then you have a lottery, how its done with both fish and game.
Add in the guys like you, who maybe don't fish for RS often or offshore,
and buy the tag anyway, now, you will apply for the RS tag as well.
Since its "limited" that will attract even more anglers who might not have
targeted RS to apply as well for lottery.

Here is something else to chew on,
those 30,000 recreational RS are not all for private anglers.
If I remember correctly, the split is 58% to private, 42% to for hire fleet.
So for the PRIVATE rec anglers, that is about 18,000 red snapper.

Now, lets go with stiff arms 10k RS anglers estimation for fun.
10,000 anglers
18,000 RS fish tags.
1.8 tags per angler per YEAR.
Lets round it up to 2 TAGS/FISH per year.

If we 3x the quota, with only 1% asking for tags,
they get 6 tags/fish per year.

That accuracy seems like a much better option
than you have today with 4 fish per day in state waters year round,
and 2 fish per day during fed season.

point = KNOW WHAT ONE IS ASKING FOR.


PS> according to the ASA, American Sportfishing Association,
only 5% of anglers retain their licenses for more than 5 years.
Of new license holders 82% do not renew for a second year.
 

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You can't tell HJ. The very fact that he's applauding Biden shows two things- he couldn't do math if he had a calculator tied to his ass and he obviously is delusional. I'd invite him fishing again but I'm sure he gets seasick on the bay and the only real fishing he does is trolling online.
Shouldn't you be pouring out all the Coca Cola in your house,
and making sure you are not watching baseball or football.
Hopefully you sold the Harley a couple years ago when it was boycott time on them.

Boy, times have changed,
we used to boycott FOREIGN companies,
now, we boycott American companies,
makes me feel so much more patriotic.


PS> why don't you ask Ted Cruz to make sure there is
money in the infrastructure plan to dredge the gulf of mexico
near your area, and build some artificial reefs,
so YOU can catch RS in state waters.
:LOL:

PPS> did you hear, Elon Musk is buying oil platforms in
the gulf of mexico. Look it up. Maybe no more rigs to reefs
if elon is buying them up. Dang, chinese pork farmers in Cali,
and a billionaire immigrant in texas, screwin with fishermen.


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You (should) know the messiah is not giving up his elixir
I wonder if he brought his button from the oval office desk to mar a lardo.
 

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Well, I agree with you.
My point of showing there is 950,000 licenses was two fold.
First, Mr. Stiff Arms estimation of 10k RS anglers, which would
represent about 1% of SW anglers is wildly inaccurate for the most popular fish.
Even a conservative 20%, would put us at 200,000 anglers for 30,000 fish.

Second point, would be the laws, where all licensed anglers are afforded
equal opportunity. With FISH TAGS, which provides the ACCURACY that
stiff arms is constantly asking for on the rec side,
if there are not enough tags to go around,
then you have a lottery, how its done with both fish and game.
Add in the guys like you, who maybe don't fish for RS often or offshore,
and buy the tag anyway, now, you will apply for the RS tag as well.
Since its "limited" that will attract even more anglers who might not have
targeted RS to apply as well for lottery.

Here is something else to chew on,
those 30,000 recreational RS are not all for private anglers.
If I remember correctly, the split is 58% to private, 42% to for hire fleet.
So for the PRIVATE rec anglers, that is about 18,000 red snapper.

Now, lets go with stiff arms 10k RS anglers estimation for fun.
10,000 anglers
18,000 RS fish tags.
1.8 tags per angler per YEAR.
Lets round it up to 2 TAGS/FISH per year.

If we 3x the quota, with only 1% asking for tags,
they get 6 tags/fish per year.

That accuracy seems like a much better option
than you have today with 4 fish per day in state waters year round,
and 2 fish per day during fed season.

point = KNOW WHAT ONE IS ASKING FOR.


PS> according to the ASA, American Sportfishing Association,
only 5% of anglers retain their licenses for more than 5 years.
Of new license holders 82% do not renew for a second year.
when was the last time you caught a red snapper? When was the last time you actually fished in the gulf of Mexico in any of the gulf states? I guess they don't teach math in NY or you were too busy running your mouth in school to learn anything. You can shove your snapper tags up your ass. I don't need a lottery for a fishery that is overpopulated. I also don't need a lame ass yankee pretending he is the sole authority for all things red snapper, especially when said yankee has NO experience with the subject.
You keep harping on this "30,000" number for snapper. MOST fishermen are keeping 16-20 inch fish which puts them at 2-3 lbs each. Also most fishermen get to fish for them once or twice a year. Not every day of the season. As for state water snapper, unless you drive to South Padre Island or further south, you're lucky to catch keeper snapper and by "keeper snapper", again, we're talking 15-20 inch fish. With the overabundance of snapper in the gulf, we could take 200,000 snapper during the year and it wouldn't put a dent on the population. Again...rather than pontificating about something you read on Google, pick up a fishing rod and see for yourself this season.
 

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when was the last time you caught a red snapper? When was the last time you actually fished in the gulf of Mexico in any of the gulf states? I guess they don't teach math in NY or you were too busy running your mouth in school to learn anything. You can shove your snapper tags up your ass. I don't need a lottery for a fishery that is overpopulated. I also don't need a lame ass yankee pretending he is the sole authority for all things red snapper, especially when said yankee has NO experience with the subject.
You keep harping on this "30,000" number for snapper. MOST fishermen are keeping 16-20 inch fish which puts them at 2-3 lbs each. Also most fishermen get to fish for them once or twice a year. Not every day of the season. As for state water snapper, unless you drive to South Padre Island or further south, you're lucky to catch keeper snapper and by "keeper snapper", again, we're talking 15-20 inch fish. With the overabundance of snapper in the gulf, we could take 200,000 snapper during the year and it wouldn't put a dent on the population. Again...rather than pontificating about something you read on Google, pick up a fishing rod and see for yourself this season.
Yankee? I prefer when you call me a socialist liberal.

Well the good news is, as YOU informed us,
with the STATES IN CONTROL now,
that local knowledge for sure will correct the situation for you.
3x more fish found, bag limits should soar.
Maybe time to invest in a new chest freezer for all the fillets.

Have a productive season.
Abundance dance in your honor.

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For those of you following along.
The basic problem is,
there are not enough older fish in the population yet.
Only TIME will change that, probably 8 years or so before
we reach the benchmark required by law to declare the fishery REBUILT,
which can result in full increase in quota.


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NGO's get more done then the feds....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV2-9I-qDoQ

Danny and his dive counts do more than all the corrupt Federal "best and the brightest"... And keep in mind that Alabama has more artificial reefs in 50 miles of coast than the rest of the gulf... paid for with local money by local fisherman with local interests and likewise it took a lot of California local pressure to wrangle the Monsanto money loose... Thanks Dr. Danny!!!... NOT Foreign lobbied FED pay off control by UNELECTED "Officials" determining what catch counts both commercial and sport fishing can have. Yes many foreign and domestic fish and food industries would love to see fresh fish prices skyrocket... we out here in Cali realize that the foreign influences on unelected/unaccountable officials are brilliantly disguised as caring individuals who just care about the Collective resources... So next time your gnawing on a Hero at Jimmies, Ohhhh the Pastrami with Provolone and deli mustard.... think about the founding...

So, just don't look too close into the palm of your hand.... another braindead collectivist from New Jersey...

D-C...

STATES RIGHTS! Tenth amendment all the way... Loook away, loook away, look away... Dixie land....

If you drop the Alinsky Façade and endeavor to open your mind...

The 10th Amendment: An Introduction - Bing video
 

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So next time your gnawing on a Hero at Jimmies,
Ohhhh the Pastrami with Provolone and deli mustard....

another braindead collectivist from New Jersey...
Jimmie John's? Overpriced Subway crap sandwiches.
They opened 7 Jimmie John's in my area,
ALL of them closed within 2 years.

Pastrami and PROVOLONE?
Dude, nobody in NY puts CHEESE on pastrami.:poop::poop::poop:
Yuck, how disgusting, and provolone to boot, lmao.



Glad to see you know as much about food as you do fish management.
Can't expect much from people who dip pizza into salad dressing. :poop:
:rolleyes::ROFLMAO:

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PS> Cheese, Swiss Cheese is put on a RUEBEN,
which is corned beef.

PPS> My farms are in NJ, I live in NY.

PPPS> the monsanto money for the reef project above,
came from a settlement with the FEDS.
 

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I like provolone on Pastrami... with boars head brown deli mustard and thank you I'll order my sandwiches the way I prefer to eat them... you don't get to control that HJ although you DO KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR EVERYBODY... Can't eat them anymore due to sodium tho... remember Jack... Have to settle for the Spumoni.... Spumoni Gardens... another over priced 31 flavors I suppose....

haven't been there in a while... but the boars head is all i need to see.... jimmysfamousheros.com

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Yankee? I prefer when you call me a socialist liberal.

Well the good news is, as YOU informed us,
with the STATES IN CONTROL now,
that local knowledge for sure will correct the situation for you.
3x more fish found, bag limits should soar.
Maybe time to invest in a new chest freezer for all the fillets.

Have a productive season.
Abundance dance in your honor.

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For those of you following along.
The basic problem is,
there are not enough older fish in the population yet.
Only TIME will change that, probably 8 years or so before
we reach the benchmark required by law to declare the fishery REBUILT,
which can result in full increase in quota.


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you get your size chart the same way you measure 6 inches for your wife? Today the fishery looks more 1962 than your "today" chart. AGAIN...when was the last time YOU fished for red snapper in the gulf? Or are you satisfied from pontificating from your basement like the POTUS with limited mental capacity did during the election?
 

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I like provolone on Pastrami... with boars head brown deli mustard and thank you I'll order my sandwiches the way I prefer to eat them... you don't get to control that HJ although you DO KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR EVERYBODY... Can't eat them anymore due to sodium tho... remember Jack... Have to settle for the Spumoni.... Spumoni Gardens... another over priced 31 flavors I suppose....

haven't been there in a while... but the boars head is all i need to see.... jimmysfamousheros.com
Jimmys in Brooklyn, good sandwich shop.
If a person wants to eat pastrami in NY, they are not going to Jimmys,
they head to one of the famous jewish deli's for pastrami.
When you put a tip in the jar at Jimmys they scream out "Subway"

Spumoni Gardens, only has 4 flavors of spumoni,
you're only off by 27 flavors, close for sure, by your standards.

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you get your size chart the same way you measure 6 inches for your wife? Today the fishery looks more 1962 than your "today" chart. AGAIN...when was the last time YOU fished for red snapper in the gulf? Or are you satisfied from pontificating from your basement like the POTUS with limited mental capacity did during the election?
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Well PLEASE TELL ME WHAT FLAVOR I SHOULD HAVE. I would hate to have the locals say "Oy... He doesn't even know what flavor to eat... Putz"... So PLEASE control me and tell me how to order! Maybe i shouldn't order thick crust Sicilian??? Oh My I could be sooooo wrong....

So much to Control and so little time to do it Eh Jack?

D-C
 

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Well PLEASE TELL ME WHAT FLAVOR I SHOULD HAVE. I would hate to have the locals say "Oy... He doesn't even know what flavor to eat... Putz"... So PLEASE control me and tell me how to order! Maybe i shouldn't order thick crust Sicilian??? Oh My I could be sooooo wrong....

So much to Control and so little time to do it Eh Jack?

D-C
Well, if we were going to spumoni garden,
I would tell you to get the square slice,
you will probably opt for the regular slice,
because you somehow know better.

I would suggest rainbow spumoni for your desert,
you will order the soft ice cream on a cone instead.

And when on the boat, I would suggest a rig and technique
to use, and you would do something different as well.

Some people just roll that way, which is all fine with me.
And please, no pastrami and provolone sandwiches allowed on my boat,
or bananas.

These are probably closer to your culinary level of experience.






PS> Have a great season.
 

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Two "I suggests" and one "Please" in a post HJ.... hmmm... is it you, That had to be a major ideological struggle for you to put those reasonably directive words in one of your posts... Maybe this is a turning point... Naaaa never mind... utopianism struck again

D-C
 
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