conv jigging setups...

Discussion in 'Jigging and Popping' started by LEXPRO, Mar 24, 2008.

  1. LEXPRO

    LEXPRO Senior Member

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    I have an Avet JX 2spd with 60lb depthfinder line on a sea magic 400g rod that i have used for jigging jacks and BFT. I have noticed the need for larger jigs on the overnite trips (current) and want to get a rod rated for the 600g jigs. I like to use the lightest equipment i can so its more comforable and doesnt wear me out. Am I heading in the wrong direction if i get a OTI 600g rod and mount my JX2spd on it for heavier jigs, and then get a Accurate B2-870N2spd with 50lb braid to put on my 400g rod for lighter jigs.
     
  2. BretABaker

    BretABaker Guest

    i think that reel is undermatched for the rod. beef it up a bit
     

  3. papio

    papio Senior Member

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    The new OTI 600g is a thad stiffer than the older rod. Both are excellent rods IMO. The rods weigh close to 10 oz but I'm not really sure - it's just a WAG on the weight. Check with TJ for specifics. Are the Sea Magics heavy?
     
  4. gman

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    I would concur with Bret I would beef up the reel and go with the new OTI rod. A JX is small for that application. That 870 should have more balls than the JX IMHO I dont know what your top drag is on the JX but the accurate is pushing 25
     
  5. BretABaker

    BretABaker Guest

    I would concur with Bret I would beef up the reel and go with the new OTI rod. A JX is small for that application. That 870 should have more balls than the JX IMHO I dont know what your top drag is on the JX but the accurate is pushing 25
    right - price range will matter as well, along with 2 speed, lever drag etc etc.

    i have an 870 and like it. havent hooked into anything huge yet though, so its tough to say. it pulls 20lbs of drag very easily though. 665 would be more ideal since you'd get more capacity with 80lb braid, which youd need to really take advatage drag-wise of that rod
     
  6. Sea Crappie

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    I had a JX once. It had to be adopted by another board member because my Accurates tried to eat it :( .

    Seriously, leave the JX on the 400g rod and just buy an Accurate 665NC (1sp or 2sp), an Ocea 4000P, or an Alu Gorilla to go w/ the 600g rod and spool whichever one you choose w/ 80lb line.

    That said, the 870N is a great little reel. I fish one with 60lb and it has the drag to handle more, just not the capacity.
     
  7. LEXPRO

    LEXPRO Senior Member

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    Papio the rods are similar but the 870 reel is 6oz lighter than the avet and i was going to use it to fish jigs 400gr or less with the seamagic.

    Brett and G, are you saying the reel is too small to fish 600gr jigs? Im thinking i should match the rod to the jig so i can get the right action. I guess what i meant is as im starting to get more setups should i be matching the rod to the jig? Or the rod to the reel? Or the rod to the line rating? Im fishing 60lb line on the JX and normally i have the drag set at 17lb. I dont really expect to catch giants with this setup although it would be nice.
     
  8. BretABaker

    BretABaker Guest

    well what i'm saying (cant speak for glenn) is that the reel is not strong enough to utilize the rod properly. you can catch tuna on 17lbs of drag, i agree, but with that rod i would only fish 80-100lb test, as 17lbs probably won't put much of a bend in it. if you only want to fish 17lbs of drag i would just get a lighter rod.
     
  9. Formula4Fish

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    Im thinking i should match the rod to the jig so i can get the right action. I guess what i meant is as im starting to get more setups should i be matching the rod to the jig? Or the rod to the reel? Or the rod to the line rating?


    LEXPRO

    I put a high-drag reel (HooX) on each rod I have, and set the drag fairly low. Then I put on a gimbal belt, "caught" a drawer handle on a file cabinet (immovable object), and increased drag on the reel until the rod bottomed out. Then I put a spring scale on the reel and tested it to see how many pounds of drag it took to bottom out that rod. Now I know empirically exactly what the max drag is that each rod can handle.

    Similarly, I tested each reel for the most strike drag it could handle and still retain free spool, and what max drag is at that setting.

    The results were somewhat surprising in one case. I have two Avet MXL6.3's that have sequential serial numbers. One of them gives 8# strike and 14# max. This is close to advertised spec. It will give more drag but it looses free spool. The other one gives 9# strike and 18# max, which blew me away. That's about 4# over advertised max.

    Last, I matched the reels to rods that give performance similar to the reel. I.E., the 14# reel is on a 13# Trevala "H" and the 18# reel is on a 18# Trevala "XH".

    The Hoo-X is back on a new 80# OTI rod, which can easily deal with the 27# max drag I have it set at.
     
  10. Uncle Russ

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    My 600 gm rod weighs 15 oz and the 300 gm version goes a little over 16. And they feel very light.
     
  11. rtran

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    Yes, the OTI 600g weighs in a little over 15oz.
     
  12. Bellyups

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    I'll second the ocea jigger 4000P, but put it away if you are catching BFT--it will reel BFT as if they were piggy perch. For me, I match my medium fish and gear to a torium 20 and bring out the Ocea Jigger for the big boys. The OJ is very powerful and the carbon drag (stock) on mine pushes 50 pounds--just ask Jerry. I have over 400 yards of 80 pound spectra on my OJ 4000P. It is my favorite reel.
     
  13. gman

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    Its just my personal opinion that you need a higher drag reel to maximize the rod. That 600g rod is built for power. You are right that the rod corresponds tp the jig size but the rod and the jig have to be pulled by the reel. In a perfect world, that 600g rod should be matches with a high drag spinner such as a Dogfight, Stella, Saragosa etc or an equivilent conventional such as an accurate 665 single or double speed reel. The minimum I would use would be a accurate 870 2 speed.

    Just my 2 cents, it will work with the LX but you would maximize it with another reel.
     
  14. Formula4Fish

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    Agreed gman. The rod was built to handle up to 35# of drag, and should be matched to a reel that is capable of that.
     
  15. STx Fisherman

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    OTI 80 lb. jigging rod is pretty stout. You need a stout rod for the 600 g. jigs.
    I bought the blank and built my own spiral wrap rod. Can't wait to get it out there. I have the Accurate 870 and it's a great reel....for AJ's up to about 50 lbs. The AJ's that I hooked into that were larger were a bit too much for that reel. I ended up buying the 665 NN Accurate reel. I might look at the 665 N reel for my next jigging setup.
     
  16. Uncle Russ

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    I bought the 300 gram rod to pair with the 665 2-speed for everyday blackfin jigging and nearshore snapper fishing where something bigger might try to take me into the rig. I bought the 600 as well--I'm not really sure why, because I cannot ever conceive of dropping a jig that weighs nearly a pound and a half and then (even worse) having to reel that dog back up. But I decided I had to have one once I got my hands on the 300 gram model. So I suppose if I ever do actually jig with the damned thing, I will probably strap the ATD 12 and 600 yards of 100 pound JB on it. That should fit with the notion of matching it with a reel capable of equaling its capabilities!!!!! Otherwise, I can always use the reel as a boat anchor and the rod as a digging bar--it's that tough.

    Russ
     
  17. LEXPRO

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    Russ, May of last year i was on a 52Hr trip and their was a older guy probably near 70 years that was jigging with a ATD12. He caught a yellow that went at least 75 right under the boat.
     
  18. LEXPRO

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    STX, i just bought the 665NN what and how much line do you have on yours...
     
  19. Uncle Russ

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    Lexpro: I think I know that fellow? Was it on the Big E? I met a man about that age on a 52 hour trip in September of last year--very nice and quite knowledgable--kind of slender with grey hair. A real gent. I fished right next to him and he had the ATD12 and that's when I knew I had to have one.

    Russ
     
  20. LEXPRO

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    Yes,the guy was awesome and used Accurate everything. He caught a big yellow jigging, he caught blacks on the jig and on topwater, he caught a big AJ and a big grouper.. He caught one large of every variety on every type of rig. The guy was my hero that trip.