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Im on the fence about buying a used 5K version. They seem nice and I like the price point. Will I be disappointed after fishing my Stella's?
5000 version is the LT reel so its not the heavy duty SW spec. The Certate SW's start from 8000 size ~ 18000.
The Certate LT's go up to 5000 but they are not the same as the SW's.
 

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Any use yet? How do you like it? Very close to pulling the trigger on a 10k!
Unfortunately, my trips got canceled and the yft havent come close to shore yet so no use yet.
I also bought a Twinpower SW in the 14k size. Will post some reviews once i hook fish on both.

My impressions so far though,,
Twinpower SW;
The bad
  • has alot of plastic, makes it feel like a watered down Stella.
  • drag portion all plastic, drag knob is too small
  • handle nut feels cheap
  • bail arm material feels cheap and miscolored?
  • Makes quite a bit of noise when winding.
  • Half plastic body (Shimano uses Ci4+ so should be fine)
The good
  • Flipping of the bail feels amazing with that satisfying "click" sound which locks the bail in place. Shimano really nailed that down.
  • Feels very rigid. Predecessor twin power was a tank so it has the history to back it up.
  • Aluminum rotor is always a plus.
  • Drag sound is very nice. Similar to Stella. Certate SW is louder but the tone is nice on the TwinpowerSW (personal preference)

Certate SW
The good
  • Super smooth winding.
  • drag portion is a combination of metal and plastic - drag knob is large and easy to turn.
  • Fewer turns of the drag knob to lock it down compared to the Twinpower
  • Design
  • Monocoque body and large gear/pinion. Same internals as the Saltiga so i feel you get alot for your money with the Certate SW
The bad
  • The bail arm wiggles slightly even when the knut is fully tightened. (small gap between bail arm and rotor can be observed) - this drives me crazy. I want tighter clearance
  • I do not like the feel of flipping the bail. Shimano does this better on all models.
  • They do not sell the tool required to open up the larger monocoque body for the Certate SW so cannot grease it up...
  • Zaion rotor (aluminum has less flex - more durability but zaion allows for a lighter rotor = lighter retrieve.) Not sure if this is positive or negative but i prefer aluminum i guess.
 

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My Certate SW also has a wiggly bail arm. It annoys me too. I hope it doesn't get worse with time and use. They say it needs some play for it to operate correctly, but I think there could be some small problem with how parts fit together there - meaning there is little too much play. It makes the reel feel less strong & solid.

The bail arm wiggles slightly
 

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Between this and the new TP any fish experience yet?
Sorry for the late update. Took the TP and Certate out on the water for YFT. Didnt hook any but hooked into a few Bonito. Made about 100 casts with each. I really enjoyed the TP, more than the Certate for several reasons.

May be the size difference (certate 18000, TP 14000) but the retrieving the plugs with the TP was much lighter.
The casting performance was about the same. Hard to compare because i had PE8 on the Certate and PE6 on the TP.
The biggest thing with the Certate i didnt experience with the TP is the smoothness. I noticed after taking the certate back home that it became very "geary." "geary" may not be the right term but you can feel friction when turning the handle. I dont know if its the gears or maybe a ball bearing but the silent buttery feeling is gone. It is an SW reel so i dont mind to be honest, but the TP is no different from when i pulled it out the box which tells me the Daiwa probably uses some very good grease to give you the impression it is very smooth but after some use, it wears down and you get to experience what the reel actually feels like under retrieve. Sorry couldnt hook into any YFT. Will probably go out again in October. Will update again.
 

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I got to reel both the certate and saltiga side by side in a tackle shop this past week and you can tell a difference between the reels. Curious to see both opened up with a breakdown of parts now. Used my saltiga 14k this past week and definitely glad I’ve got them. None of the issues you mention with certate.

Twinpower is a glorified Stradic as opposed to a lesser Stella like some think.
 
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