Over the weekend I started my day with a hollow core wind-on on my rod ready to go. IMO there is no comparison to that and ANY kind of knot, whether it be the P.R. or whatever. Attach the windon to the PE with a mini bimini in the PE. About half way through the day, I lost my windon due to and AJ tangle. I quickly rigged back up with a slim beauty that held fine, but it just wasn't the same. I didn't like the sound of knots coming through the guides. You don't notice how loud that is, until you have spent the day using the windon, then have to switch to a knot. Its very unnerving. From now on, only hollow core wind-ons for me. Period. I'll be more prepared with more than one next time. I had enough confidence it, that I only brought one, not taking into account the possibility of the AJ love fest. IMO - F..... all the braid to mono knots. They break, they are hard to tie in some cases, and are just not streamlined enough for my taste. I know that not everyone can serve a windon, but trust me when I say that its easier than a P.R. knot, and stronger. It's a skill worth learning if you don't know it. -------------------- For those that DO know how to do windons, I made my spectra loop about the size of nickel. The overall 130lb hollow spectra about 6' in length and put the 100lb jinkai inside about 20". I will probably shorten the overall length to about 3- 4' going forward. I used white JB, but colored it black with a sharpie.