avet sx rebuild

Discussion in 'Reel Repair' started by alantani, Mar 13, 2007.

  1. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    i've got photos of several avets that i'm going to post. i will start with the sx tear down because it's the one that i took a complete set of photos for. go to the avet website for schematics. you can also call them for any parts that you might need. the tear down on these reels is one of the most simple lever drag tear downs i know.

    a local kid brought this reel over. it was fine. he was just looking for a little more drag.

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    pulling the right side plate off takes only two screws (key #31).

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    remove the right side plate and spool as a unit, then set it aside. let's take a look inside. the most common avet problem in the last half dozen reels i worked on was a stuck clicker assembly. this one is fine. if your's is stuck, drop a little corrosion x on it from both sides and work it, or let it soak. then slap some grease on top.

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    the screws (key #56) of the reel seat of this particular reel were already greased. check your reel, because that may not always be the case.

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    now to the guts of the reel. remove the preset knob and spring (key #'s 41 and 42). you'll have to hold the spool shaft on the other side. leave the lever exactly where it is and don't move it.

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    it comes apart pretty easily at this point. um, this is good and bad. for the photo, i've put the spool shaft back together so that you can see the bellevilles (key #5), the pusher bushing (key #6), the left spool bearing (key #7), the spool tube or bearing sleeve (key #8), the right spool bearing (key #14), two spool washers (key #16) with a spool spring (key #15) in between, and the brake bearing (key #17). note that i've already changed the configuration of the belleville washers from "()()" to "(())".

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    now, on to the drag washer. this one's clean as a whistle, front ....

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    .... and back.

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    i've applied a thick coat of shimano drag grease to the inside of the spool and to both sides of the drag washer. the purpose is to protect these surfaces from salt water intrusion. apply enough grease to prevent water from getting in between the drag washer and the spool.

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    now wipe all the excess grease. and i mean all of it! when you're done, you should be able to look at a greased washer and a dry washer and not be able to tell the difference.

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    lube the bearings with corrosion x. i've noted that some of the bearings have shields and some are open. either way is fine.

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    now put it all back together again

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    slide the spool shaft back through the side plate, hold the spool shaft on the left side and re-install the preset knob.

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    grease the screw holes, put everything back together.....

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    .... and watch it spin!

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    now, you will recall that this reel was brought to me because the owner wanted a little more drag range. to acomplish this, i changed the belleville configuration from "()()" to "(())". the result was interesting. with every click of the knob, the drag increased predictably, going from 2.5 pounds, to 4, to 6, then 8, 10, 12, then it jumped to 15 and then to 18 before i finally lost freespool. yup, 18 pounds of drag and i still had 45 seconds freespool!

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    the problem was that at 10 pounds of drag, i started noticing a lateral load on the right side plate bearing. the handle became increasingly difficult to crank. so from a practical point of view, 10 pounds is still the maximum drag setting that you can use. come to think of it, i should probably get this reel back and changed out the bellevilles again. there's no point in having anything more than 10 pounds of drag at strike. i'm sure the engineers at avet had already thought this through. still, it was fun to do, even just this once!
     
  2. feeder

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    Alan, you rule! If you ever get your hands on an Avet Pro 30 (narrow) please post that tutorial on here as well. I'd love to see that one and how much drag you could get out of it :D
     

  3. lite-liner

    lite-liner troll enforcement Staff Member

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    Mr Tani, perhaps you saw my post on the Hoo-X thread.
    I would like to see if it is poss. to increase the drag in my LX.
    I would like to have 20#-strike, 30#-full
    secondly, my SX bait clicker seems to engage when it wants to,
    and I would like to either remove or "quiet up" the retreive clicker on the SX
    My LX has no retreive clicker ( that I can hear), & I like that.
    Thanks so much for your tutorials regarding Avets. keep'em coming!
    I think you're starting to become a real asset to this community
    thanks again.
    Now put down those reels & go fishing!
    -Brian
     
  4. SkeeterRonnie

    SkeeterRonnie Senior Member

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    i think I am going to pull my LX apart and turn the bellville washers like Mr Alan did to the SX above.(thanks to OSO, I now know tho watch out for the "jumping" spring...lol). This is gonna be so fun. I love getting my hands dirty!
     
  5. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    Mr Tani, perhaps you saw my post on the Hoo-X thread.
    I would like to see if it is poss. to increase the drag in my LX.
    I would like to have 20#-strike, 30#-full
    secondly, my SX bait clicker seems to engage when it wants to,
    and I would like to either remove or "quiet up" the retreive clicker on the SX
    My LX has no retreive clicker ( that I can hear), & I like that.
    Thanks so much for your tutorials regarding Avets. keep'em coming!
    I think you're starting to become a real asset to this community
    thanks again.
    Now put down those reels & go fishing!
    -Brian

    fishing season is coming up soon!

    for the lx, once you pass 15#'s of drag, the right main side plate bearing starts to load up and it becomes progressively more difficult to turn the handle. it is simply a design limitation of the reel because it only has one drag washer. that's why i'm going with all accurate reels. you can get 25-30#'s of drag on the 870 and 665 before that becomes an issue. the accurate has two drag washers.

    for the sx, check out the schematics at http://avetreels.com/pdf/SX5-1.pdf key #58 is the pin support. you need a new one. call avet at (818)576-9895and ask for part # SX501-058. they should be able to send one out to you, most likely for free. when it arrives, remove the three side plate screws (key #31). the right side plate and spool come out cleanly as a unit. set it aside. now you have access to the inside of the left side plate. remove the clicker arm (key #61) and all the little parts with it. punch out the pin support it should be pretty straight forward.

    on the retrieve, the anti-reverse "click" is what it is. some reels just make more noise than others. you could try packing that side with grease if it really bothers you, but that's really your only option. lightening up the spring actually would decrease the noise, but you run the risk of the anti-reverse pawls not engaging properly. the reel might go knuckle buster on you, and at the worst possible time. if you don't mind, i'd say just leave it. let me know if you have any problems. thanks! alan
     
  6. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    i think I am going to pull my LX apart and turn the bellville washers like Mr Alan did to the SX above.(thanks to OSO, I now know tho watch out for the "jumping" spring...lol). This is gonna be so fun. I love getting my hands dirty!

    carefully pack the two handle bearings and the single right side plate bearing full of grease! for the spool bearing, i like them open. i fear there is simply no easy way around the spool bearings. let me know how things progress. alan
     
  7. lite-liner

    lite-liner troll enforcement Staff Member

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    Once again, your talent has backed up my assumptions.this is after I went back to my schematic & stared for a few minutes. I had actually considered
    removing the clicker asm completely, because this is strictly a casting setup.
    Which kind of leads me into the LX issue. I"m not really worried about great freespool, because it's on a jigging-specific setup, w/ 8-14oz jigs being the norm.
    After seeing your point of heavier handle effort after 15#, can I use a narrower(.010-.020") rt. plate bearing, or would that negate the additional
    drag from the stacked bellvilles
    -Brian
     
  8. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    brian, there is really nothing that will change the specs for your lx. personally, i would fish the reel at the 15# strike limit. just take the time to measure the drag setting at full. if you are in a situation where you need more drag, push the lever to full and to hell with the right main side plate bearing. after one big fish, i'm sure that bearing will be toast. they're $5 from avet. keep a couple as back up.

    here's the deal. the smaller avets are what they are. you can't squeeze anything more out of them. they will always play second fiddle to accurate. and for the price, that's ok. i just won't be buying any avets. just wait till you see what i DO have on order!
     
  9. lite-liner

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    Alan, I'm into the rebuild on my SX, & boy am I glad I did this.
    You were right, it's a fairly simple reel w/ straightforeward procedure. had some corrosion on & behind the drag washer on the spool.
    washer cleaned up ok w a toothbrush/WD-40. still useable?
    corrosion pitted the spool a little around the snap ring, but it cleaned up well so I'm assuming it'll work. did your bellville washer change. As for theheavy crank effort,what if I leave out one of the little thrust washers(#16)from either end of the spool spring. No mike's here @ the house but it appears to be .010-.015
    as the bellvilles compress the spool against the drag from the other side via the lever, will this releive some of the over-pressure against the rt side brg,
    or will it negate the bellville switch, or worse, make the spool travel less and happen later on the lever?
    I don't understand all the damage, the reel "only" has about 200 hrs on the water in the past 3 years........
    BTW, you were right on about the clicker, support was cracked in half.
    ordered 2 of those and a full set of brgs, $22.00 shipped
    no biggie, but I'll do the teardown a lot sooner next time
    thanks
    -Brian
     
  10. alantani

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    ok, here goes the editorial part.

    i will start out by saying that these are tough little reels. you are about to see some pretty ugly stuff. remember while you are looking at these photos, that all of these reels had good to excellent freespool. they also all had good to excellent drag. well, one reel had a sticky drag, but it would have still caught fish. so i'm going to show you the photos and make a few explanations. then i'm going to say what i like about the reel, then what i do not like, and then i'm going to duck out for a little bit while the fur flies! i know these are very popular reels. that's why it's taken me so long to work up the courage to write this post. so here goes.....

    so a guys sends me six avets just before christmas. ok, fine, i don't get many of these (this is a good thing). i've never written an avet rebuild post so i grab my camera and i take a shot of the reels....

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    i open up the first reel and i'm horrified! here was the working side of the drag washer....

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    but this is what i found underneath. we'll call this reel #1

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    i called avet and they said to just clean it and reinstall it. so i cleaned it....

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    but decided to order new washers....

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    and some grease from cal sheets.

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    here's reel #2 with drag washer that's clean as a whistle.

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    here's reel #3 with a stuck clicker and minimal salt water corrosion in the drag.

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    here's reel #4 with extensive salt water intrusion .

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    here's reel #5 with moderate salt water intrusion

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    and here's the jx, in perfect condition

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    the reels were all rebuilt with no change in bellville configuration. the first three mxj's had drag washers that were greased with shimano drag grease and all three delivered 9 pound of drag at strike before losing freespool. the last two mxj's and the jx were rebuilt with cal's drag grease. the two mxj's delivered 9 pound of drag at strike before losing freespool. the jx delivered 12 pound of drag at strike.

    so here's what i like. i like the open design of the avet drag chamber. without a spool cap to cover the drag chamber, yes water will get in, but it will also get out. sure, a cap on the drag chamber will keep small amounts of water out. but if water gets in, it's trapped. that's the main and fatal problem with the penn 975 lever drag.

    i don't like the fact that avet uses a dry drag washer. i saw no loss of drag range in these six reels with grease on the drag washers. and i'm certain no one would disagree that grease would stop the corrosion dead in it's tracks. it's my opinion that a grease drag is a good thing. either shimano or cal's drag grease should work just fine.

    so now that everyone knows how to tear down and rebuild these reels, i have a question.....

    what's in your avet?
     
  11. lite-liner

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    Based on your pic's, I'd say my SX was in the moderate caregory. Still fishable by all means. I wouldn't have touched it if it wasn't for the clicker issue. glad I did, though
    -Brian
     
  12. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    penn, shimano, daiwa, accurate, tiburon and okuma all use grease on the carbon fiber drag washers in their high end lever drag reels. only the avet is still installed dry. after seeing photos like these, one has to wonder why.....
     
  13. alantani

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    just finished another bunch of reels. posting pictures like this, you could understand why i'm not very popular with the avet faithful. here's the front side of an avet drag washer.

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    here's the back side of an avet drag washer.

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    and here's a side view.

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    avet needs to grease their drag washers. any pure teflon grease will do. they are located in southern california, very near to cal's 2 speeds and cal's sells a teflon grease. they could use cal's grease, which is what accurate does. there will be no loss of drag range on the top end. actually, it is my belief that teflon grease will actually extent functional drag range. you can go to higher pressures before the drag washers lock up.

    avet also needs to do something about their bearings. this reel had three bad bearings out of six.

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    funny, in this reel, the drag was perfect but every bearing, six out of six, was rusted.

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    i'm sure it's obvious all that a reel only crosses my bench because there's a problem with it. while my view is most certainly skewed, i still can't help but think that something seriously needs to be done about these avet reels. alan
     
  14. Ragman

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    Hey Alan!

    Do you know the history of this particular reel? My first thought was that maybe the bearings probably weren't the original bearings?
     
  15. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    the reels belong to friends of mine. they usually get dropped in the back of the boat with a 6 pack of beer and a note that says "thanks!". i'm certain that the bearings are original, and i've seen plenty of them lately, but i can ask if you wish. and if they are not, then these would be the third set of bearings for these reels!
     
  16. Mitchw123456

    Mitchw123456 Senior Member

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    I fish all of my Avets hard and have yet to even have a speck of corrosion on a bearing. I do tear all of them down and go through them much like you do when I first get them. For this reel to keep having bearing failures it kind of makes me wonder how well the reel is taken care of after trips. Do you have any idea, as I'm curious to know.
     
  17. alantani

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    yeah, well, that's the problem. they're not taken care of at all. but that's the reality of it. if you take care of your gear, this type of reel is great. if you don't take care of your reel, you're better off with something else.

    or, you could go through a reel like this ahead of time to decrease the risk of corrosion. then you could slack off on the maintenance a little and not get burned. who know......
     
  18. crofish

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    In the step that ends with "leave the lever exactly where it is and don't move it", I managed to do just that and the lever locked in at the end position. How do I get this back to normal, please :)
     
  19. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    that should be easy. install the spool and spool shaft assembly. the spool shaft should go straight through the right side plate. now install the lever and push it back to the "free" position. now screw down the preset knob.

    the lever should nest in the cam and should be at it's lowest positon in "free." let me know. alan
     
  20. fishchaser23

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    I just recently purchased an SX, the newer version with the silent retrieve. I've fished it a couple of times and always do a freshwater rinse after fishing. I have never taken the reel apart; is this something i should do and grease up the drag washer just as a preimptive maintenance? I'm assuming the newer SX have very similar assembly/disassembly?