The 16S was discontinued almost 3 years ago, replaced by 2 models, the 16VSX and 16VS.
The 16S is still a nice reel for many purposes, and a true bargain price may be possible.
The 12LT was discontinued last year, but the replacement 12VSX may be delayed until early next year.
Again, if a real bargain price can be obtained, it is still a nice reel for many fishing styles.
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