another saltiga problem......

Discussion in 'Reel Repair' started by alantani, Nov 9, 2007.

  1. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    hoo, boy. i only have the one set of pictures for the spool issues, but i've had two guys come to me with broken spools from daiwa saltigas. you've seen this one before.

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    now i've come up with another issue. check this out. it's a saltiga 50.

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    so what happened is this. i added a small bead of grease to the screw hole. done that a thousand times with other reels. just as i gave the screw driver that last turn, i heard a "snap." i was horrified to see that the frame had cracked at the screw hole. um, $200 worth of horrified, i might add. that's the cost of a new frame. i spoke to another guy that does alot of reel work and he says he had the same thing happen, only he used corrosion x on the screw thread.

    so what i think happened is this. the tolerances on the threads of the screw holes are so tight that there's no room for air, excess grease or excess oil to squeeze out when tightening down the screws. this causes a crack at this one weak spot of our $200 frame. a guy sent this reel for me to service and there's no way that it's going back broken. i just have to eat this one.

    thank you for listening to this brief public service announcement. you may return to your regularly scheduled program ....
     
  2. TeamOso

    TeamOso Senior Member

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    wow, thatll ruin anyones day
     

  3. ksong

    ksong SPONSOR

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    alantani,
    When my Saltiga 50's handle got frozen while fighting a 250 lbs yellowfin on a jig on the Qualifier 105 two years ago, I thought the combination of my poor maintenance of the reel and the enormous pressure of the fish ( the reel got really hot) caused the problem. However I experienced the same freezing problem of the handle with another Satiga reel not once, but twice after the incident. I know not many fishermen abuse reels to the limit as I do, but now I believe there is a fundamental problem with the handle.

    My new Accurate 665 two-speed mysteriously increases its drag after I catch a few tuna with it. :eek:
     
  4. thenewkid

    thenewkid Senior Member

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    wow and to think i WAS gunna buy one of those... guess not
     
  5. lite-liner

    lite-liner troll enforcement Staff Member

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    Kil: I'd bet the drag increases after a few runs on your 665 because of heat
    expansion in the drag plate, narrowing tolerance. Alan Am I off base?
    Wow that frame issue is a rough one! Might try chasing the thread w/ a
    tap before installing the screws. Only problem is you usually remove a lot of the anodization when you do. I've experienced this issue in other applications(automotive). mostly on TTY headbolts. add oil to threads &
    torque values increase by 20-25% on average.
    tight lines
    -Brian
     
  6. JFLORES

    JFLORES Senior Member

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    alantani,
    When my Saltiga 50's handle got frozen while fighting a 250 lbs yellowfin on a jig on the Qualifier 105 two years ago, I thought the combination of my poor maintenance of the reel and the enormous pressure of the fish ( the reel got really hot) caused the problem. However I experienced the same freezing problem of the handle with another Satiga reel not once, but twice after the incident. I know not many fishermen abuse reels to the limit as I do, but now I believe there is a fundamental problem with the handle.

    My new Accurate 665 two-speed mysteriously increases its drag after I catch a few tuna with it. :eek:

    Kil.

    I have the same problem with my 665 and my 870n, thats why i check
    my drag by pulling it every few minutes when im jigging.
    I think i like star drag better for jigging, my star drag reels dont have this
    problem.
     
  7. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    regarding the accurates, the company now greases the drag washer with cal's drag grease and says that the drag remains pretty constant throughout a pretty wide temperature range. my 870 and 665 are set to 20-25#'s of drag at strike. i'd have a hard time pulling on it and noticing a difference.

    the first thing i'd do is grease those drag washers. then let's see how they hold up on a long run. alan
     
  8. alantani

    alantani Senior Member

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    wow and to think i WAS gunna buy one of those... guess not

    ksong, was it the handle that locked up on you, or the drag?

    guys, the saltiga is a beautifully made reel. as with all reels, i recommend greased carbon fiber drag washers and open spool bearings for the saltiga. it's this "grease in all the screw holes" recommendation that i am going to have to revist. very troubling.

    i honestly do not know if the frame is precision cast and then machine finished, or straight machined from billet aircraft grade aluminum. the "appearance" of the frame side by side with the side plate is different because the "grain" of the machine work is at right angles. that's why the two metal surfaces appear different.

    basically, i hate posting threads like this. here's the problem, though. i constanly encourage guys to service their own reel. that's my whole schtick. i've never done a saltiga rebuild post, and i'm not sure that i want to at this point. still, if i come across a problem as disasterous as this, you guys HAVE to know. it's a $200 mistake. and if daiwa already knew, i would think they would bear the same responsibility. you can't hide stuff like this.