Accurate Twinspin 20 at ICAST

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  1. Minnow

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    Hi Guys,

    Another cool spinning reel from Accurate Twinspin 20.
    This reel is about the size of Shimano Stella 10000 size
     

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  2. MrBill

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    The only thing bad about the twinspin is the knob. The one on the 30 is OK in size but the one on the 12 is tiny. It might have fit my hand when I was in first grade. It looks like the 20 knob is a little bitty one also. Otherwise the reels are very heavy duty. Some people think the twinspins are to heavy in weight. The weight doesn't bother me. They might not be a smooth as a Stella, but they are very well machined and heavy duty. I like them.

    Accurate, just design a freaking knob that feels comfortable without having to switch to aftermarket or ATD handles.
     
  3. Sportfisherman

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    Are they trouble free though , have heard lots of complaints from overseas buyer on SR30 and it's so costly to have the reel shipped back and forth to the manufacturer each time there is problem .

    Jon .
     

  4. rhale

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    Any idea when these will be available for purchace????
     
  5. gman

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    ive heard of lots and lots of complaints, I tried both the stella and the twin spin and I had trouble turning the handle when loaded under pressure on the twin spin and I love accurate all my reels are theirs
     
  6. Uncle Russ

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    MrBill: My 30 weighs about an ounce more than my 20,000. Maybe the line on it is a little heavier. :)

    gman: Do you have the 6/1 or the lower gear ratio? I have the original 6/1 and have experienced the difficulty turning the handle as well.

    gimmedeal caught one yellow fin on our trip, weighing an estimated 50 plus pounds and had no problem, either with the fish or the reel, although he was pumping and winding down, I believe, the whole time. Not much of a test, and although we did not measure the drag setting, I do not believe it was very high at that time.

    Russ
     
  7. gman

    gman Senior Member

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    how did you do on your trip Uncle Russ

    I tried the 6:1, thats made me buy the stella 20k which i love
     
  8. MrBill

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    I sold my Twinspin 30 and bought another Stella 20K. I love the look of the Twinspin, but the handle problem tee-ed me off. The twinspin is the first round of spinners by Accurate. Shimano has been making spinners for many years. They have learned from previous mistakes. Perhaps down the road I will come back to Accurate for spinners.
     
  9. Gunsmoke

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    I'll have to admit, those knobs really suck. Those people at accurate must have deformed hands. Try using that llittle whiffle ball under pressure. It hurts. You need to grab a towel to use it.

    Maybe the secretary is the handle tester. She probably likes them small so she can use them for earrings. That's my only real gripe about the twinspins.
     
  10. fishordie

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    I put the Platinum 12 handle on my size 12 Accurate spinner and it feels great. I have never cared for the balls myself but all my smaller conventional 2 speed Accurates have been retrofited with that same handle and I am a happy camper. The balance is only affected a small amount but no more so than the Shimano. I will be getting the 20 when it comes out to the public and do the same handle handle thing.

    Jamie
     
  11. ksong

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    I am thinking about buying new Accurate Twinspin 20 after I talked with a charter boat guide in Florida who exlusively use Accurate Twinspin 12 over Stella. He said the old problems of Twinspin 30 are resolved and praised Twinspin. After I used the round knob on 870 and 665 two-speed, I didn't like it at all. When I called Accurate, they said I can replace it with ATD 6/12 handle. the reel is not availabe until next month.

    Here is Kew West guide response:

    I have owned a bunch of Stellas and they are OK but not worth the price. I am not a big fan of Shimano. I am also not a Daiwa fan as I went through a few years on their Guide Program and their reels could not take it. I also am on Quantum and have a dozen Cabo PT 60's and 40's. They are excellent but can not take the stress of chartering. I send them back about every three months. They would be great for a recreational fisherman but chartering is too tough on them.

    As far as the TwinSpin upgrades. They had 2 issues. First was the screw holding the handle to the handle base was not long enough and it came unscrewed often when used alot. Second was the bail guide wire pushed small diameter line into the groove between the bail bearing and the bail arm and it got stuck in there.

    Both issues have been corrected and if you send the older models back to Accurate they will retrofit them for nothing.

    I use 50 pound PowerPro on the TwinSpin12's.

    I also own Boss 870 HXM's and 197 XC's. I am now using all Accurate's except for a few Quantum Cabo's that I let charters use if I think they may drop a Twin Spin overboard or something.
     
  12. fishordie

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    Hi Kil,

    I am loving my 12 Twin Spin with the ATD handle. The thing is an ultimate pick bite machine. While others have to go down in line class to even have a chance to get bit this spinner gets the bait into the zone and the size is perfect for fishing 50 lb. JB solid + 40# short top shots. As I said before all of my Accurate 2 speed smaller reels are now fitted with the ATD handle and I love them. As soon as I can get my hands on the 20 it will be a done deal for fishing 50 and 60 # top shots. The 12 can fish that rating but I believe the 20 will be perfect for it.

    See you at the rail

    Jamie
     
  13. Uncle Russ

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    Those two issues are exactly what Matt at Accurate described to me--along with the information that they have been worked out.

    I guess you have to ream out a rivet to replace that handle?

    Russ
     
  14. ksong

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    Hi Kil,

    I am loving my 12 Twin Spin with the ATD handle. The thing is an ultimate pick bite machine. While others have to go down in line class to even have a chance to get bit this spinner gets the bait into the zone and the size is perfect for fishing 50 lb. JB solid + 40# short top shots. As I said before all of my Accurate 2 speed smaller reels are now fitted with the ATD handle and I love them. As soon as I can get my hands on the 20 it will be a done deal for fishing 50 and 60 # top shots. The 12 can fish that rating but I believe the 20 will be perfect for it.

    See you at the rail

    Jamie
    Hi Jamie, I talked with Mike of Accurate today. he said ATD 6/12 handle fit on TwinSpin 20. I considered Twinspin 12, but it seems it doesn't have enough line capacity for big tuna. Mike told me the new Twinspin 20 is the most technically advanced among 12, 20 and 30.
    I orderd Twinspin 20 already, but I have to wait until next month.

    I was about to call you to discuss about the possibility to go to Hurricane Bank on 12 day trip on the Intrepid. If the new Intrepid run faster than other long range boats, I think it is possible. 3 - 4 guys can join me if it happens. I'd like to have another chance to jig cow over 200 lbs. :)
     
  15. MrBill

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    It seems to me that Accurate might have a nice reel in the twinspin 20. Glad to see they have fixed some issues. They make a great product.

    I wouldn't go leaving the Stella's. If you read the August "Sport Fishing" magazine you would buy a stella. I just finished reading the article for the third time about the Nomad out of Australia. These guys fish spinning gear every single day year round. It is a major charter operation. They catch GT's up to 150 pounds, dogtooth tuna up to pounds on spinning gear. They also catch a lot of hoo's, Samsonfish (relative of amberjacks), Maori Wrasse (A green colored grouper) and pacific sailfish with the spinners.

    Their favorite is the Stella 10K and 20K. They also use Saltiga 6500s, and mention Accurate, Van Staal and Zeebaas reels. One interesting note is the comment on jigging rods. They use Smith's and Carpenter's but they say the hands down best jigging rod is the Shimano Blue Rose. It is not available in the US. These guys jig down to 600 feet.

    They use 80 to 100 pound braid and will set drag pressure to 38 pounds.
     
  16. ksong

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    MrBill, I am going to get Stella, but I am waiting as there is a rumor that new Stella replacing 10000/20000 come out next year.
    I like to visit the Coral Sea someday. But the operation is not cheap. :(

    Here is the Nomad's opinions on gears for GT. Though they are talking about GT popping, we might can get some ideas about gears.

    We get a lot of questions about what is the best gear to use for chasing GT's and amberjacks, both on our charters, and just general questions. I'm going to try and answer some of the most common questions we get asked about tackle. Please also note that you can email us with questions, and we'll endeavor to put the answers on the website ASAP.

    Do I buy a Saltiga or a Stella? - Well, this is the age old question isn't it. It does come down a lot to personal preference, but it also depends what you are doing. The truth of the matter is that we have broken both Stella and Saltiga reels on charters, but that's after a lot of use. The simple answer here is that my personal opinion is that the Saltiga has marginally better internal gearing and sealing than the Stella, and the Stella has the better Drag system. The drag on the Saltiga can easily be modified to get a smooth 26kg of drag, but I don't know many people who can really hold onto that sort of pressure.

    Please also note that whichever reel you buy it should be a 6:1 retrieve for GT fishing. I have seen so many people using a 4.6:1 retrieve and getting very tired after a short period of fishing, when they could ahve gone much longer with a higher speed retrieve reel.

    There are parts of the Stella, such as the bail arm mechanism which are maybe not as strong as they could be, and similarly, the actual rotor arm of the Saltiga could be a bit stronger. I have heard of both breaking.

    When it comes to the crunch it is which reel you can get for the best value. I own one of each as my personal fishing reels, and I mst admit I do like the feel of the Stella as a standard reel over the Saltiga, but my Saltiga is modified with power knob and hotted up drag system, and as such sometimes gets preference over the Stella.

    Te bottom line is that if you are going to buy a Saltiga, you should improve the drag system, as it is not god enough out of the box. If you are going to buy a Stella, then there's not much you need to change. Unfortunately there's no clear winner in this contest, and both reels can do a great job on big GT's

    How do I modify the Saltiga Drag? - Basically this consists of removing the dry drag washers and replacing them with pieces of split chrome leather(as in the type of leather gardening gloves are made from). The split chrome leather should be cut out with a hole punch or press to be the same size as the old washers. Next you will need some Graphite powder and some Teflon grease, and these should be mixed up in a small mixing container. The leather drag wahsers should be coated in this mixture and then placed back where the old dry washers came from. It is important to keep the stainless washers in the system, but just replace the dry fibrous washers with the coated leather. This system will give you a very smooth drag which is also capable of very high pressure.

    What rod to use for GT popping? - This comes down to experience level. I always reccomend that beginners use a longer rod, maybe up to8'-8'6" as it will make casting easier. Where we fish, the longer the cast the better. More experience and better casters will be able to cast further with shorter 7' - 7'6" rods. There are plenty of great rods around and I've had the opportunity to use quite a few different types that our clients bring along with them. I must firstly say that I have not used a Carpenter Rod, but I have used plenty of Fisherman, Smith, Zenaq, Precision, GUSA, Calstar and other blanks.

    Of these, I think my favorites for GT fishing have been the Smith Tokara and the Fisherman Monster GT 76rs. Both these rods are heavy duty and allow me to cast poppers a long way, but also offer some fish fighting ability. The other ord I have used for a long time and really enjoy is the Precision Rods 100lb GT stick. This is a single piece rod, but it the most brutal rod I have ever used. I don't believe there is anyone out there who could break this rod. It fishes 18kg of Drag with pure ease, and just asks for more.

    The guide used on these rods are important as well. Large stripper guides and large running guides should be used and the Fuji silicon guides with the stainless part of the frame rolled over the sic ring are the only ones to use. The rings pop out of the frame otherwise. It is also important not to use a metal reel seat as they will result in the reels corroding (electrolysis) and also I have seen cracked reel feet as a result of too much pressure on a metal reel seat.

    What Rods/Reels to use for Jigging? - This again comes down to personal preference, but I have a clear favourite here. I much prefer a very short and heavy duty spin rod coupled with something like a Shimano Stella 20000FA and PE8. This combo allows easy working of jigs and also gives great fighting ability to the angler.

    I have seen many anglers use overhead reels very well, and I used an Accurate 665xhm for a long time, but the combination of a good spin reel and short rod is hard to beat. There's absolutely no reason not to use an overhead, but I just prefer the spin combo.

    What outfits to buy for a GT and Jigging Charter? - There's an easy answer to this, and it comes down to why a lot of people buy a spin reel to use for jigging as well as popping. If you go and buy yourself a Saltiga 6000GT spin reel or a Stella 10000FA you will have a highly capable spin reel that will handle most GT's you're likely to encounter. These spin reels are 6:1 which is a must for GT fishing. With either of these reels you can buy a spare spool for a Saltige 6500 or a Stella 20000FA respectively and have that spool rigged with heavier line for jigging, but use the spool on your same reel body. effectively this gives you 2 reels to use for different types of fishing without the expense of the 2nd full reel.

    Of course, the best option is to just buy 2 reels in total and then you have a back up on a trip if something fails. If you also bring along 2 rods, preferably 2 piece, with one for jigging and one for spinning, then you'll be set for the week

    I am considering buying the Daiwa "GT" rod, which is 8'6" and rated to PE8. Given that I am on a bit of a budget, I'd appreciate your thoughts on this rod.(Peter Robertson)

    I have seen in use the Daiwa 8’6” rod of which you speak, and it is not a bad rod, but it does lack the grunt that you would need to stop seriously big GT’s. If you are happy to have a fighting chance with most GT’s of up to 30kgs, then this rod will be fine, and can be used with PE8 in the right circumstances. The rod is great for casting, and is actually a better rod for beginners than some of the more fancy shorter stuff. The short answer is that this rod will do the job, but expect to put it on the shelf when you want to get really serious about stopping big fish.