2017 Federal Red Snapper Season Announced

Discussion in 'Jigging and Popping' started by HungryJack, May 2, 2017.

  1. HungryJack

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    I'm guessing Buddies Guidon is the TV reality guy everybody loves to hate.

    Granny might eat a fish Buddy G caught, using his IFQ's
    The commercial portion of the quota represents Grannies rights,
    her portion of the pie. Granny is old, not close to the water,
    so Buddy G gets it for her. Its his job, he gets her the fish from the water,
    he doesn't eat that fish, he harvests it for another.
    And like most jobs in this country, he earns money doing it.

    And if Buddy G was out fishing with his kids for fun,
    and Granny got a hip replacement and went out fishing
    with her grandkids, they all would have the same regs
    and bag limits, because in that case, they are all harvesting
    and utilizing the fish for themselves.

    Provided that Granny is following the law and not selling the red snapper
    to pay for that hip replacement :)
     
  2. HungryJack

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    How about we try that horse and water thing,
    and I just show you.
    I will assume that you are smart enough to not
    need a playbill for the show.

    So, welcome to the HungryJack theatre
    and enjoy tonight's presentation of
    Divide et impera
    http://wkrg.com/2017/05/16/fisherme...t-over-red-snapper-season-causes-controversy/


    PS, if you need me,
    I'll be backstage grabbing ladyfish by the snapper.
    Where are my TicTacs
    :)

    PPS- 2:30am off to an early start for today's rapin session.
    Those darn rec fishermen, always wanting fresh young virgin bunker
    for sacrifice to the fish gods.
     
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  3. buddyclaude

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    What a warm and fuzzy idea! You are promoted to Archduke and are hereby afforded protection by the Realm. Should you further join the fight and go to work on additional meritorius windmill projects you could be fated to assUME Emperorship like Charlemagne. Beware of Pope Leo - the leader of the ecumenical council of the commercial church. It would require your fealty to the common man and his dominion over all the subjects of the Red Snapper Province.

    I would also give benefit to children 6-16 and and seniors over 65.
     
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    Just hard to imagine Buddie gives a rat's ass about grannie's rights.
    So Buddie gets to profit on gifted quota.
    Grannie's right are the same as yours and mine.
    Your rights and my rights to public resources are somewhat preserved by those who harvest those resources thru royalties/fees paid. Although I really don't want a barrel of crude sitting in my garage, since it is a public resource I want my right to it honored and that is done by leases and royalties paid by those profiting from it.
    Not the model being followed in the issue under discussion.
     
  5. GARRIGA

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    Ohio can eat organic farm fish. Be a good neighbor and feed Kansas too.
     
  6. buddyclaude

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    Here above, in a nutshell lies the basis of of what we debate and leads to the sophistic fallacy of much of what you say and I object to.

    Hungry Duke, Sea Lord, Marquis De Comms, I exhort you to take heed from another Marquis' historical legacy encapsulated by this quote:

    "Imperious, choleric, irascible, extreme in everything, with a dissolute imagination the like of which has never been seen, atheistic to the point of fanaticism, there you have me in a nutshell, and kill me again or take me as I am, for I shall not change." Marquis De Sade

    Sorta sounds like some one you said would not change either. In the words of Project Pat "Don't save him, he don't wanna be saved". I throw caution to the wind when I paraphrase more of the lyrics from the song: "You can't turn a whore monger into a president" but the people have spoken and I can live with that.

    I am on a different battlefront than you, hence the dissonance of our views and arguments.

    You fight for the status quo of what I see as un American. Namely that a Public Resource (or 51% of it) that can be expropriated from the Constitutionally mandated constituent owners, by profiteers or Lords or other anachronistic cadres or modern versions of the same ilk. The Gulf of Mexico is not Sherwood Forest where its bounty is owned and reserved for racketeers and exploiters. I cannot give credence to your false and UnAmerican supposition.

    I know I might as well micturate into what blows against windmills, call me Don Quixote if you wish. (Aha! another free resource not metered out by a third party, unless you have found religion and belief in a benevolent force who exists above the skyline.)

    We both are fond of cream. I even think about swimming in cream and enjoying Kaymak like I did when I honored the U. S. Constitution while serving and protecting you on the Russian Front.

    I leave you with a reprieve from this parley with food for thought to entertain and encourage thought.



    PS My favorite Zoology professor was an expert on mice (kangaroo rats of the desert) and I engage in an equally Quixotic venture as these fishing missions. It is about the beach mouse that lives in my neck of the woods and in my yard and forms some of my identity - as I continue to struggle against the tide in a sea of slings and arrows, begging acknowledgement of the patient merit of what I pursue.
     
  7. buddyclaude

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    Un-Fortunately when choices were still open to me I chose a vow of poverty rather than a vow of chastity. I have paid dearly for it too.
    So rather than a pecuniary wager I submit to a metaphoric and journalistic gamble.

    I would let those accused defend themselves.
     
  8. buddyclaude

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    What an embarrassment - to observers everywhere by a TV station I have watched off and on since 1958. They need to reassign their news editor. They have completely missed the real story and pander to the uniformed and confused public by promoting misdirected civil disobedience and protest. Ima gonna complain about it to them and reference this thread.
     
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  10. HungryJack

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    Just hard to imagine Buddie gives a rat's ass about grannie's rights.
    So Buddie gets to profit on gifted quota.


    Do you try imaging if the oil company president worries about your
    rights to the oil ? No, and he doesn't give a rats ass either, just like Buddie.
    His job is to suck oil out of the ground, and he makes a buck, Buddie pulls fish
    out of the ocean, and he makes a buck too.
    Their level of patriotism has nothing to do with anything

    Grannie's right are the same as yours and mine.
    Correct, you can come to my state and fish,
    and I can come to your state and fish.
    If granny wants fish from either state but she can't
    actually do this fishing, there is somebody there to do it for her.
    Just like they do it for YOU.
    Remember that hot chick you met, took her out to dinner, she chose
    the lobster. You could have went out and fished for it yourself the day before,
    or maybe that morning, took off from work, spent $50 in gas or more, etc.
    Instead, you accessed the lobster you wanted through a commercial fisherman.
    Save you the headache and expense, and maybe helped you get some action that night :)


    Your rights and my rights to public resources are somewhat preserved by those who harvest those resources thru royalties/fees paid. Although I really don't want a barrel of crude sitting in my garage,
    Fishermen pay license and permit fees, just other words for payments made to the gov.

    since it is a public resource I want my right to it honored and that is done by leases and royalties paid by those profiting from it.
    Not the model being followed in the issue under discussion.


    Well, your rights are honored, you have ACCESS.
    Business provide a service to provide you this access,
    generally businesses exsist to make a profit,
    profit is not evil, it why you have a job, what you do
    earns a profit for the company you work for.

    But, we can explore doing it your way, if you believe that is better.
    Someone else brought up oil, I posted a response on another thread with links.
    Basically, oil companies pay about .007 on the dollar, or 7/10th of one penny
    for each dollar of oil on that lease.
    So, math time, 6 mil pounds RS quota, times $5-6 per pound wholesale,
    roughly $35 Million, times .007 yields $245,000 leasing fee on Gulf RS.

    I can tell you I would have no problem convincing the commercial fisherman
    on your behalf to accept this new model of distribution. In fact, why waste time,
    let me know where to send the $245k for next years quota, and I will take the whole thing,
    save the trouble of looking for a group consensus on this.
    In fact, I will write you a check for $2.5 million, I'll take the quota for the next 10 years,
    to show my commitment to our long term relationship. The extra $50k is for fisheries officials back
    at the office, they can use some new chairs. I also enrolled them in the coffee of the month
    club and the donut of the day club for the next 10 years, enjoy.
    By the way, if you would like, I would take the whole gulf fishery quota as well,
    $345 million is often quoted, that comes out to $2.4 million per year lease,
    will take that as well, and for the next 10 years also.

    I know, if you were in charge it wouldn't work this way, you wouldn't give it away like that, understood.
    Oh, almost forgot, the government does collect some more money from the oil companies,
    there are royalities that range from 0-18.5% on the wholesale price the companies sell
    the oil for, with 18.5% for some offshore rigs. Those companies also receive tax breaks,
    and cash payments from the GOV as exploration payments when looking for that oil,
    so the net royality rate is less than 5% on most rigs/fields down to 0% for other fields.
    Gov also collects more money on oil,
    this comes from the CONSUMER, the gas tax of 40-85 cents per gallon on each gallon sold,
    that comes from YOU. So they collect about 5-8 cents from the companies and 40-85 cents from the consumer.

    So, lets change over the fisheries, to YOUR improved version.
    Today, a piece of fresh bait that sells for $2 - 2.50 in your tackle shop,
    probably cost the owner 70-85 cents. Lets call it 80 cents.
    In that price, the cost of the fisherman licenses and permits are included.
    Now, you want to lease out the right to catch that bait for more money,
    .007% is obviously unacceptable to you, understood. So you probably
    looking in the range of 8-12% of value for the lease. So that's about 10 cents
    in lease cost for the piece of bait to the fishing business.
    You want royalities too, just like in oil. 18.5% from the gulf rigs,
    so lets be similar, and call it 20% royality on the wholesale price,
    just like oil.

    So the fisherman now has to add 10 cents per fish lease fee to his expense,
    and pay another 20% on their sales as royality.
    Business operating costs went up, so they are added to the price of the product.
    Adding 10 cents per fish lease cost, another 18 cents in royality costs,
    about 30 cents, and the business is going to add a profit margin on these
    additional cost as well, another 15-20 cents.
    So the wholesale price of that bait went from 80 cents, to around $1.20 or so.
    Store owner now paying a higher price for the bait, has to increase his price as well.
    The price at retail goes from $2 - 2.50, to $3 - 3.50 or more.


    Lets review how it effects all.
    Comm fisherman
    - still catching, still making his money, and potentially a bit more
    as the price went up and he earns a percentage on total sales.
    Rec Fisherman - they still get to buy bait, they just get to pay MORE.
    Federal Government - Increased revenue for them, and more money to waste on nonsense.

    I might not be the sharpest tack in the box,
    so can you point out how this benefits any fisherman ?


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    Oh, in the fairness of full disclosure, and to give you guys
    something else to moan about :)
    Commercial fisherman ARE NOT subject to the gasoline tax consumers pay.
     
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  11. HungryJack

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    Divide et impera
    You know, my good friend Garriga asked me to reduce waste.
    And I tried, decided not to print the Playbill last night for the show
    at the HJ Theatre, as the audience was filled with academia and the
    intelligentsia of the society.
    Assumed they would have no problem understanding the message of the show.
    But I WAS WRONG, very very wrong.

    Too late for the Playbill, so you get the Cliff notes.

    Mr. Claude,
    the charter boats are the puppets,
    the private boaters looking to block the CFH are the puppets,
    the news media that distributes the show are the puppets as well.
    You chose to be mad at and take action against one of the puppets,
    and yet the puppet master goes unnoticed and unscathed.

    Puppet master is a professional,
    you ended up in his fishbox.

    Puppet master showed you another windmill,
    and you went right for it.
    No different than the wise old red snapper named Garriga
    that never eats on sand, ended up in my fishbox on my foodtruck,
    parked on the sand.
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  12. HungryJack

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    Nice work.
    Of all the fish mounts, pictures, trophies, magazine covers, antique advertising fishing signs and a multitude of
    other nautical collectibles I have acquired for display.
    Only the Gyotaku prints I had commissioned of some of my
    oversized fish species caught, hang on my wall,
    the rest are in the closets.

    I have a super oversize Flounder, 7+ pounds,
    above my office desk,
    where Marquis De Bunker, counts his billions :)

    Bunker Billionaires - Premiering July 14th on A & E
    :)
     
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  13. GARRIGA

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    If only the ARS knew how much crap we fight about over them. Lol
     
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    HJ
    You call pull all the hypothetical numbers you want out of your ass to make and prove any argument you like. But the fact remains that IFQs are still gifted.
    Oil companies bid for leases and pay royalties on extracted oil. Timber companies bid for rights to log in public forest, ranchers pay grazing fees. All done to preserve and honor, no matter how small, the public's right of these resources. Again not the model followered with IFQs.
    You interjected grannie's rights "The commercial portion of the quota represents Grannies rights,"
    That is not true. Her right is the opportunity to purchase a license and exercise the privilege that license permits.
    I want a fresh wild elk loin. But my fat ass is not physically able to harvest one so can I buy a license and sell it to someone who can exercise my right to this public resource?
    I have a taste for some fresh wild mallard and andouille gumbo can I purchase a Fed duck stamp and appropriate license and sell it to someone to get me a limit of wild ducks? I mean I HAVE A RIGHT don't I? Fine line between rights and entitlement.
    Lastly I am a devout capitalist. How I get to fish, buy bunkers and run my boat. No evil in profits.
     
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    HJ
    You call pull all the hypothetical numbers you want out of your ass to make and prove any argument you like.

    Chose any numbers you like then,
    the bottom line is
    THE COST TO THE CONSUMER RISES UNDER YOUR PLAN.

    Fishermen pay more for bait and consumers pay more for fish.
    You ignore this reality,
    because your desire for perceived justice overrides logic for you.

    But the fact remains that IFQs are still gifted.
    They were not gifted, those that received them had landings during
    a certain set of years chosen by the fed. They were in the game and got
    a share relative to their percentage of their total catch during those years.
    The fishermen pay yearly for licenses and the permits for the IFQ's

    Oil companies bid for leases and pay royalties on extracted oil. Timber companies bid for rights to log in public forest, ranchers pay grazing fees. All done to preserve and honor, no matter how small, the public's right of these resources. Again not the model followered with IFQs.
    Oil and Timber are both managed differently,
    because oil is not the same as timber,
    and fish are managed differently as well,
    because fish are not timber or oil.
    One size does not fit all

    You interjected grannie's rights "The commercial portion of the quota represents Grannies rights,"
    That is not true. Her right is the opportunity to purchase a license and exercise the privilege that license permits.

    Your interpretation and thus belief of rights
    are contrary to what is written and provided in the constitution.
    You have an issue with the constitution, not me or granny.
    Want a change, change the constitution.

    I want a fresh wild elk loin. But my fat ass is not physically able to harvest one so can I buy a license and sell it to someone who can exercise my right to this public resource?
    I have a taste for some fresh wild mallard and andouille gumbo can I purchase a Fed duck stamp and appropriate license and sell it to someone to get me a limit of wild ducks? I mean I HAVE A RIGHT don't I?

    Well if you are a fat enough bastard,
    and are now officially considered handicap,
    got the plates for the car, etc.
    Well then you can assign your fishing bag limit
    and your hunting bag limit to another fisherman or hunter,
    to assist you in getting your bag limit. Almost all states have this law.
    Or you can lose some weight you fat bastard and do it yourself ;)

    Fine line between rights and entitlement.
    No, there is no fine line, its pretty well defined for those who can see it.
    Others, because they participate directly believe they are entitled to all.


    You believe you have a right to the fish, correct.
    The comms with the IFQ's have a documented history of catching those fish,
    the ones without IFQ's had no history. Don't the ones with the history of catching,
    deserve a share of a fishery, or do they get kicked to the curb and the newbies get it instead,
    seem fair ? You used to get more fish in your bag limit, today you get less, because
    you have to share with more newbies. You don't like less do you.

    Lastly I am a devout capitalist. How I get to fish, buy bunkers and run my boat. No evil in profits.
    No evil in profit, except when it comes to fish for you.
    Everything else is cool, but fish are a sacred cow.
     
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    Think you and I don't pay for the cost of royalties/leases in every gallon of gas, board foot of lumber and pound of beef we we buy. WEAK!!!!!

    Of course various public resources are managed differently. It is unprecedented to GIFT those resources without some collection by the public.

    Just what amendment gave Buddy the RIGHT to BUY/SELL the rights to a large percentage of a public resource
    with no recompense to the public?
    Your explanation is simply history. Pervasive market hunting was stopped when certain species were adversely affected 1) to protect/manage that species and 2) recognizing the public's interest in that species to be greater than a few profits. History WAS NOT on the profiteer's side then.

    As you pointed out a royality is paid per unit of oil. What is the royality now paid on a pound of fish? GIFTED!!!

    Don't believe through any of our debate I have resorted to personal attacks. Odd to me that you now see the need to do so. PRETTY WEAK!!
     
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    Copper, I appreciate your efforts in support of my position by restating what I try to say.

    The Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 is one analogy that does not break down unless you want to incite revolution and break treaties with Canada proxied by the UK.

    I would rather have a root canal than listen again to what the Marquis De Bunker (or the Marquis De Menhaden as he is known in my waters) would have to say about this.

    Among many things, it BANNED MARKET HUNTING.

    As a 100 year birthday celebration of the Act, why not expand it to include certain species of migratory fish? Even HJ would concede that RS are migratory, especially the young and sub adults.

    We have treaties with Mexico and to negotiate my solution has precedence and would be binding on all States of the Union.

    All the arguments of the comms were used before; tradition, economics and benefits to the starving lady from Kansas.

    I would like to see a financial analysis by Steve Rattner or Elizabeth MacDonald in support of my Democratic principle and agenda of returning to the common man and woman, what is rightfully theirs, to free the RS from COMMERCIAL EXPLOITATION.

    The business between CFH and privates will have to sorted out and to do so without the interference of Comms would be a piece of cake.
     
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    Think you and I don't pay for the cost of royalties/leases in every gallon of gas, board foot of lumber and pound of beef we we buy. WEAK!!!!!

    No, of course they're passed along to the consumer.
    And EXACTLY my point with adding additional costs to commercial fisherman,
    YOU AND I AND EVERYBODY ELSE ends up paying more. How do WE benefit from that ?
    I don't like oil companies, I think they should pay more in lease fees, they are getting away
    with murder. Bottom line, the price goes up at the pump, we pay more !
    Eff those Mexicans, 20% tariff on anything that crosses the border.
    Other than vegetables and fruits, beer and some fish, most of the industrial products
    are produced by subsidiaries of American companies, producing goods for the American market, cars, appliances, all kinds of goods we use.
    That includes your Corona's if you drink them.
    20% tariff, which is another word for a TAX, adds 25-30% of more in cost
    to those products at the consumer level, WE PAY MORE, the company earns the same,
    and the gov gets more of our money. Income tax, sales tax and now tariffs on those products.
    Welcome to the world Europe lives in, why stuff is so pricey over there.
    The only thing I see that is "weak" , the logic you apply to the situation.
    You're mad, and you don't care its going to cost you and everybody else more,
    bring on the additional taxation !
    Warm and fuzzy wins again - HungryNonprofit takes note of this common preference :)

    Of course various public resources are managed differently. It is unprecedented to GIFT those resources without some collection by the public.
    Public does not collect on any natural resource,
    with the exception of Alaska residents from the oil fund.
    Otherwise, no other people receive any direct payments from
    any natural resource in this country.
    Want to make a fish fund, I'm not stopping you, have at it.
    Personally, I will pass the cost along to my customers,
    who for me are recreational fishermen.
    If the higher prices drive some off the water and I sell less,
    not a big deal to me, I would prefer some more space out there anyway.

    Just what amendment gave Buddy the RIGHT to BUY/SELL the rights to a large percentage of a public resource
    with no recompense to the public?

    See above for recompense part.
    The switch to IFQ from an open derby fishery,
    bring benefits to the fishery itself, makes it more efficient from
    and economic standpoint and from a waste or bycatch standpoint as well.
    With this some humans benefit, and some humans lose out,
    kind of how it works with everything in this world.
    Its exceedingly rare to find a situation where it a win all around,
    there is somebody usually "paying the price" so others can benefit.
    Think of a situation where its a win all around, post it,
    I can probably point out who lost that you didn't consider

    Your explanation is simply history. Pervasive market hunting was stopped when certain species were adversely affected 1) to protect/manage that species and 2) recognizing the public's interest in that species to be greater than a few profits. History WAS NOT on the profiteer's side then.
    Human encroachment on land was the issue.
    That is a limited factor in the oceans, and the fish stocks
    are either restored fully or on the way there.
    We are bringing back yesteryear in the ocean,
    unfortunately we can't do that on land,
    unless the humans are willing to vacate the land for the animals.
    But nobody is stopping you from pursuing this concept, have at it.

    As you pointed out a royality is paid per unit of oil. What is the royality now paid on a pound of fish? GIFTED!!!
    Maybe you should do an in depth analysis of how various natural resources are
    "taxed" in this country, create a proposal, bring it to one of the rec fishing organizations,
    and let them run with it. Tax the shit out the comms if you think that helps in some way.
    Warm and Fuzzy, Warm and Fuzzy, Warm and Fuzzy, feels so good.

    Don't believe through any of our debate I have resorted to personal attacks. Odd to me that you now see the need to do so. PRETTY WEAK!!

    I though your "fat ass" comment was to present an example.
    If you are overweight yourself, I meant no disrespect,
    was just playing to the situation presented.
    It was NOT meant as personal attack.
    If you are facing a weight issue, and you are now
    physically disabled from it, I pointed out how to exercise
    your rights to help compensate for this disability and try
    to give you equal access as others.

    I am not trying to stop you or anybody else from approaching any of these
    angles/ideas as a way to achieve whatever goal you seek.
    I often state and try to motivate people to get involved,
    whatever your viewpoint might be.

    When I counter those angles/ideas with data or information,
    it is to point out the road blocks you might encounter,
    there are people more versed than me that will shoot you
    down in the same fashion.
    So, either prepare for them, by learning from me what you will encounter
    with that particular path or angle of attack,
    or maybe think of another path with less road blocks,
    or with ones you can overcome to achieve your particular goals.
     
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    Here's some interesting economics directly from the Feds that our friend is so enamorrd with:
    According to FEUS, in 2015, the fisheries economy in the US generated $200 billion in total economic activity. Of that number, $13.9 billion was created by the commercial sector; $38.0 billion from the supply chain all the way to the consumer for those fish caught by US commercial harvesters; $92.3 billion in seafood imports and $63.4 billion from recreational fishing. That's $63.4 billion recreational vs. $13.9 billion for the commercial harvesting sector, or if you want to be generous, $51.9 billion including the activity all the way through to the restaurants and big box stores like Wal-Mart.
     
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    This endangered beach mouse squeaks up again with another soliloquy:


    I had the pleasure of a visit from a former member of Reef Fish Advisory Council - an arm of National Marine Fisheries Service - two days ago. He motored from East Point, Florida en route in his center console to visit his sister in Alabama. He spent the night with me with his 23 footer moored to my dock. He has organized many fishing rodeos in the Forgotten Coast area of the Big Bend and is as deeply involved with Gulf fisheries as anyone I know. He clued me in to Chris Koenig, Silvia Earl, the Pew Trust and EDF. He has sampled deep water snapper and grouper with FSU scientists and is on a first name basis with many of professionals in the field of marine science. He was going to stay the night as a guest of the head of the National Association of Charter Operators in his rental house across Santa Rosa Sound from me but the accommodations were committed so he had to slum it with me.


    Armed with information mostly gleaned from HJ I was keen to sound informed as I argued for my solution. After preliminary discussions we resumed our debate at a local watering hole with raw and farmed oysters from Pensacola Bay Oyster Company, dinner and drinks. The oyster farmer was a member of an Alabama hunting club I presided over that included doctors and lawyers name Buddy, Butch, Bubba and Bo. The liquid lubrication to our tongues led to some spirited bar talk at The Grand Marlin North Drop Bar. His ultimate suggestion was to “compromise” my goals. Undeterred by the man who bought me dinner I ranted on. Next to us at the bar was a man and his woman friend. He was a soldier of fortune who flew 12 hour chopper shifts in Afghanistan when not here in Florida. He had a shaved head and a steroid muscled body, a no nonsense kind of guy. If I needed support in a critical military mission I would want someone like him be there for me. He overheard our conversation and chimed in “I cant believe what the FWC has done with red snappers”.


    Well then….. I approached him to fish for views on the subject. I told him just wait till next year when the Federal season will be zero. I asked him if he knew what the MSA was. Nope, not a clue. I invited him to read this thread but he said the Pensacola Fishing Forum had plenty of verbiage on the subject and added the reason why I shy away from my hometown forum. He mentioned the people who join and ask questions about when are the days when they can fish without a fishing license…He told me, like my house guest did too, about his ‘spot’ so covered up with snappers he couldn't catch anything else.


    And he asked me in a curt way the military mind uses, to tell him in two minutes what he can do. I must tell you I have dressed down combative Marine field grade officers fresh from combat - 6 inches from his face as he stood in uniform in front of me. In that situation I was armed with experiences to be a leader. The Navy Enlistee who aided me in the re education of that red headed Marine was subsequently awarded the Sailor of the Year award, partly because of his leadership in like matters affecting all members of the Armed Forces.


    But in the situation at hand I was lacking the ability to answer coherently and felt somewhat intimidated and ill prepared. A 30 second answer is my goal in the future.


    Game Fish Status - Ban Market Fishing for RS - Write the elected officials.


    But somehow slactivist slogans seem inadequate to turn the tide of government to stem the flow of purloined protein for profit.


    time4aquote: by Edgar Allen Poe -paraphrased


    “… a certain resource of importance, has been purloined from the rightful owners. The individuals who purloined it are known; this is beyond a doubt, they were seen to take it.”


    More alliteration - Prince Of Purloined Piscivorus Protein - sounds catchy, doesn't it…


    I know one of those Princes much like HJ. He is one of the P’s from P&P Bait Company out of Ft. Lauderdale. He once kept his vintage and restored 28 Bertram at my dock for me to use at my pleasure. He came with me when I went to Key West and back in his cherry rehab project.

    I think he would be on board with me on this.


    I have been a long time consumer of information Bob Shipp supplies. I have a first edition, spiral bound copy of his book. The last thing I read by him was his attestation of the brokenness of the present system. He suggested out of the box thinking is required. I think I provide it.

    I believe others might like the hat I wear in this.

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