Check with Anglers Center for the Grudens. And on the Okumas, u can hear what others say about the products good or bad. Lots of folks have never even owned an okuma let alone used one and will tell you it's no good.
I don't know about the Okuma conventionals, but i do own a Salina SA-80 spinning reel and am very happy with it's performance and especially for the price I paid for it. If you're on a budget on monies and time, then it's really no brainer, go with value and upgrade accordingly. Good fishing!!