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#2 ·
Garriga recommends a cat.
I go with that !!!

Got my drift socks and sea anchors all ready,
now no more tangles from the forward drifting,
of course ignoring the line and parachute connected
to the side of my boat as my new larger tangle obsticle.

Let's also ignore the fact that a sea anchor attached
to the side of a cat, will NOT stop the snap rolling.
Need sea dampeners, which are a set of discs that
hang down below the boat on both sides to dampen
a roll in a boat.

Hope I have enough below deck storage for all this
extra gear. No worries, will just cut back on some fuel,
livewells or fish boxes in the hull.
I know, they solve that problem by building livewells
and fish boxes into the transom and other places.
Cuts back on the deck space a bunch,
but that's not an issue either,
will just get a bigger boat.

Man, I am relived,
knowing that my new cat,
will run slightly better than my killer mono hull boat in a
head sea. During that 5% of the time I have to run into a head
sea, I will be better,
the other 95% of the time, I will sacrifice a bit in other ways.

I could use a sailboat technique of tacking,
instead of being a bull and taking the seas head on,
I could take them on an angle for a while,
then turn to the opposite angle, and repeat.
Takes a little longer to get from point A to B,
but I now am riding in a quartering sea,
and the ride is much smoother.

But what do I know.
Getting a cat !!!!!!!!!
 
#3 ·
All I’m asking is what exact conditions cause dangerous snap rolls in the size cats I’m considering and why. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I didn’t bring it up. All other opinions or facts matter not. I can decide for myself. Don’t need guidance. Snap roll. That’s all and why/what causes it.
 
#6 ·
So no one knows what sea conditions cause dangerous snap rolls on the size cats I'm seeking? Google was useless. YouTube was useless.
You've asked that same question several times in multiple threads now.
Your question has been answered multiple times.

So, to answer your new question in bold that I quoted.

I know the answer, many others know the answer as well,
the answer was posted multiple times as well in the past 2 hours.
It appears the only one who doesn't seem to know,
is you at this point.


But don't fret any.
#snaprollfakenews

#catdisadvantagesfakenews

#42freemanorbust

#never really buying a boat got bored of talking about reels
 
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#7 ·
Not once has my question been answered.

Here’s what I know. Actual experience. Was on Bill’s 22 ft Cat last year in very snotty GOM conditions. The entire trip was drifting beam to sea. Had to have been 2-4 and most of the day it was sloppy. I’m pretty sure we saw some 6 plus. Ran home around 25-30 with ease. I’ve spent a good amount of time on a 28 hydra sport which is a very fine boat and in similar conditions that 28 would have pounded at the same speed. I know because I’ve been in similar conditions and that’s exactly what it did. Although trim it right and pickup speed and it plows comfortably but that’s a much bigger and heavier and wider boat.

At same speed not like night and day but I was impressed that such a smaller boat and less weight handled itself so well.

Experienced a few of those so called snap rolls. Nothing dramatic like has been written by so called captains of the sea. I’m purely speculating but going to say I doubt a bigger cat in same conditions going to suddenly flip or cast crew off. That’s just plain stupid. Quoting a Mexican story where no findings ever concluded the cause is just silly. corraborating said fallacy with “my friend told me”. Priceless.

All facts considered, upfront cost, type of fishing I seek in the conditions I’m used to experiencing with the ability to make it home in the worse I’ve experienced or understand may be encountered yet returning home safe plus the biggest nut of storage and complying with hurricane plans that WC 270TE seems to best fit my specific need. May not for others. That I don’t care. ;)
 
#8 · (Edited)
That's just plain stupid.
Exactly the thought for your entire logic and reasoning.
But being the googrigga,
we expect nothing less from you.

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#WT270TE or Bust even never having been on one for a ride
#PerfectBoat

PPS - "I've spent a good amount of time on a 28 hydra sport which is a very fine boat "
Hydrasport is consider a class B boat, crap, compared to other go fast boats. What you consider a fine mono hull, is considered less than fine to shit ride by people in the know. But ignore that reality. Hydrasport offers the best ride.


PPPS - really liked it better when you ignored me.

#no clue what a good riding mono hull is
 
#9 ·
Who wants to go fast? Hydra Sport one of the finest rides in rough seas I’ve been on. In fact, I’d get a 33 HS before buying a similar size YF, SV or Invincible. Took them all out in identical sea conditions. HS was most comfortable and drifted beam to sea in same conditions best to my liking. One of the beauties of boat shows. Apples to apples sea conditions rides.

My buddies 28 ran 30 in 8ft plus following seas during an unexpected storm blowing 35 plus. Honestly. Depending on how those sea trials go with the cats. My fall back plan is a HS. Granted the others mentioned are better fitted for hardcore fishing layout wise and my favorite being the SV 34 but price being considered its hard to ignore a well kept HS 28 or 33 with Yami 4 strokes.

Where do you find this crap about HS being B grade? All I’ve spoken with have nothing but praise. Have you ridden one? Especially is rough conditions. Not too shabby a backup plan I must say.

Any Mexican stories I’m not aware of?
 
#10 ·
Who wants to go fast? Hydra Sport one of the finest rides in rough seas I've been on. In fact, I'd get a 33 HS before buying a similar size YF, SV or Invincible. Took them all out in identical sea conditions. HS was most comfortable and drifted beam to sea in same conditions best to my liking. One of the beauties of boat shows. Apples to apples sea conditions rides.
LMFAO
#cluelessbeyondbelief

Boat show test runs are MILK RUNS
you clueless newb.

Look at something called deadrise angle,
reserve chines, lifting strakes
and understand them,
and maybe then you will understand how clueless your comments are.
HS are considered wet boats, not as wet as they once were,
but wetter than the ones you listed.
HS also require a fairly constant and semi annoying trim adjustments.

Its good you choose lesser quality boats,
those manufactures need customers too.
 
#12 ·
Enjoy whatever boat you might buy.
It will be the best boat ever I'm sure.

Maybe you won't end up like the dead Mexicans on that cat,
since you are such an expert in this field.
They probably lacked the decades of captaining experience you posses.
As well as the right marine architecture and design knowledge to choose
the right cat, like you do.

Have fun.

PLEASE PUT ME BACK ON IGNORE
THANK YOU
 
#14 ·
My $.02.

My 26 sea cat would drift beam to in a wind. It had to do with the cabin being mid ship acting like a sail. Bad snap rolls if you were not careful. Drifting was no fun in 2-3 or above.

The 28 Kevlacat (aussie designed - cats are the big down under) would drift bow downwind with the wave direction. Much less snap rolls. The cabin 'sail' was more towards the front.

The 31 Prowler cat my neighbor takes me out on, does 40 mph burning 1.5.
In over 60 hours of fishing with him I only witnessed one snap roll. And it was not much. He is going for a 36 since he is near retirement.

I have fished dozens of mono hulled outboards. When they get over 32, they can take a GOM chop pretty well. But not as good as a cat imo.

My dealer who sold me both cats warned me about the weakness of cat boats. To tie the two hulls together requires great strength and many cats, especially the larger ones have issues with flex. This results in pipe towers and superstructures being broken near the mounting plates due to flex in the hull joinery. It happened on my Sea Cat. I have heard same from others.

Should my lottery ticket win I would be tempted to go with the hydrofoil catamaran.
Cats are big in Africa as well.
http://www.boats.com/reviews/twin-vee-35-hydrofoil-added-lift-better-efficiency/

But I would require some sort of cabin so the linked boat above would not suffice.

I fished a 32 twin vee and it was dreamy. Smooth in seas and a nice little cuddy.

I have fished Glacier Bay and World Cat, Witnessed the Freemans in Venice.

I know better than to argue with my friend hj but gimme a cat any day.
 
#16 ·
My $.02.

My 26 sea cat would drift beam to in a wind. It had to do with the cabin being mid ship acting like a sail. Bad snap rolls if you were not careful. Drifting was no fun in 2-3 or above.

I know better than to argue with my friend hj but gimme a cat any day.
Stop with the lies and #fakenews.
Cats never ever ever snap roll. ;)

With all the negatives you still choose a cat ?
I choose a mono hull, good deck mat,
and maybe tack the boat a little when I have to.

The reality is, wether its a cat or mono hull,
the ride will be determined by the distance between
the crest of the waves. If the boat is long enough to span the
distance you maintain speed and ride characteristics.
If the boat is too short, you need to slow way down,
and lose some of the nice ride.
Most often, a little more length is the magic.
For offshore use, in most location, to maintain speed
on most days, something in the mid 30's is the min size.

I was a ferry capt, running from point A to point B
all day, no stopping, no drifting, no fishing,
I would choose a cat as well,
kind of why you see cats being used as ferries in this country,
and not much else commercially.
Or by the coast guard or other marine enforcement agencies.
Too many negatives and issues for a slight better ride
in a few limited sea conditions.
Install high tech seating and decking, solves the "problem"

Or, get a nice big down east style boat,
travel at sub 20 knots,
and you won't spill your coffee.
 
#17 ·
"Also good luck getting a berth or galley on a cat
even in the 40' foot range, if that is a consideration". so said HJ on the closed post that started this.

I used to salivate over the Calcutta Cats. The 39 looks dang fancy.
"The galley is equipped with a sink and cherry cabinetry, refrigerator, microwave and fill-in berth for two amidships. The main cabin forward will sleep four adults in twin berths located over the sponsons."

http://calcuttaboats.com/390-2/

They have a 46 in the works...
 
#24 ·
"Also good luck getting a berth or galley on a cat
even in the 40' foot range, if that is a consideration". so said HJ on the closed post that started this.

I used to salivate over the Calcutta Cats. The 39 looks dang fancy.
"The galley is equipped with a sink and cherry cabinetry, refrigerator, microwave and fill-in berth for two amidships. The main cabin forward will sleep four adults in twin berths located over the sponsons."

http://calcuttaboats.com/390-2/

They have a 46 in the works...
Maybe I should have added to my statement;
"and not lose vast amounts of deck space"
Thought that was understood, guess not.

Buddy shows us 39 Calcutta with an interior,
but if we look at the bow,
we just lost all fishing ability from the bow,
I guess you could hop up on the front deck,
like you have to do a big sport fisherman,
losing your rail for stability and more.
Anchoring, now much more of a chore and issue.
Just gave up about 60% of the available deck space
on the boat for your cabin,
but hey, you got the cabin.
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Or a 42 Yellowfin with the same below deck layout,
but hey look,
still have complete bow access, fishing room,
easy access for anchoring,
or having to get around the bow of the boat with a big fish.
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Buddy, I think you might be catching garrigitis :)
 
#19 ·
I once fished as a guest with Capt. Al Walker. He took my two brothers and my nephew gratis out of Louisiana on a 31 Fountain. We ran way way west and overnighted. Yea, it was speedy but overall not near as smooth as a cat. Plus with the narrowish hull, it would rock on drift a bit. And not even close on storage space. Gimme shelter in a cat! One example of many many experiences.

The best outboard mono hull vessel I have experienced was a 36 footer. Forget the name but coming home in 4 to 6 foot swells was a piece of cake.
It would straddle the swell tops with little bucking or pounding. However, I did crack a neck vertebrae on one especially bad slam. It sounded like a gun went off as my neck whipped forward. To be fair, my neck was injured playing high school football. And I was tired from an all nighter so my proprioceptive muscles were dog tired and could not brace my head with strength.

The little Glacier Bays center consoles were known for their easy ride. My neighbor had one and I fished with Capt Al on his long ago. It had "rounded bottom canoe shaped sponsons which gave a soft albeit a bit mushy ride...
 
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on a 31 Fountain.
Yea, it was speedy but overall not near as smooth as a cat.
Plus with the narrowish hull, it would rock on drift a bit.
And not even close on storage space.
Gimme shelter in a cat!
One example of many many experiences.

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The best outboard mono hull vessel I have experienced was a 36 footer.
However, I did crack a neck vertebrae on one especially bad slam
Example one, you went on a FISHING boat designed by a SPEED BOAT company,
and are surprised the layout was not ideal,
or a hull designed to spend its time traveling at high speed well,
did poorly while drifting.
Wow, who would have thought that might happen.

Example two,
maybe its just me,
but I would have hard time equating
the "best hull/ride"
with the same hull that produced a cracked vertebrae,
previous injury or not,
maybe in life threating sea conditions,
but not on a sloppy day.

----
My earlier point of testing a boat by doing the wrong thing with it.
A great riding hull, that will not handle less than ideal wave entries
at times, resulting in an extreme reaction (shock, jolt, wiggle)
are not necessarily "great hulls"
Qualifying my statement with in sloppy sea conditions,
I am not talking about white knuckle washing machine conditions.
 
#22 ·
Passenger ferry to the Tortugas? Big ole comfortable cat. Most need to be woken after the 2.5 hour arrival it was so comfy. Were it a mono. Probably some pain killers and canes for the island tour before it’s torture ride home. Cat on brother. Cat on.

Go cat or you’ll have to sleep like a bat.
 
#27 ·
Passenger ferry to the Tortugas? Big ole comfortable cat. Most need to be woken after the 2.5 hour arrival it was so comfy. Were it a mono. Probably some pain killers and canes for the island tour before it's torture ride home. Cat on brother. Cat on.

Go cat or you'll have to sleep like a bat.
How many stops did that cat make along the way
to drift for some snapper or grouper ?

But hey, comparing a passenger ferry cat of large size
to a small cat used for fishing,
is a perfectly valid example,
apple to apple if there ever was one.

Once again, Garriga is correct,
as always and all that matters.

The nautical wealth he posses should
be recorded for future generations,
so its not lost to time.
 
#28 ·
If you really want to Googan out....

The reality is cats are like yo yo style jigging
with old school gear, so last century.

Want to be slow pitch cutting edge,
need a hydro foil or nauti craft





 
#29 ·
WTF R U babbling about? Here’s an idea. Go snap roll a cat in 20ft seas and prove me wrong. Snap it in half while you’re at it. Get soaked.

Can’t follow the conversation? What’s drifting have to do with ride comfort? You want them to take three weeks to get there?

Bitching about the fact there’s no cabin on a fishing boat? It’s a freakin fishing boat. Don’t need no stinken cabin. What are you? A lumber jack? Enough with the freakin cabins.

See that pointing nose on that YF you’re spouting chit about? On a cat it’s almost as wide as it is aft. Technically speaking. Foot for foot length wise the cat always has more square footage up top.

Here’s another fact. Those sponsons have sharper angle down meaning more waterline. Like you said. It’s all about reaching the next wave. Foot for foot. The cat has more reach.

Something also you’ve forgotten. That trapped air under the tunnel cushions the fall. Why cats ride better. No slamming. No back problems.

Cats having wider spacing between engines handle better at the dock.

Most plane on one engine because they draft less and more efficient. Try that with a mono set for two.

WC have separate fuel systems and with that single planing engine can get you back. Redundancy when it matters most how it matters most.

Biggest obvious tell. How exactly is a motorcycle more stable than a vehicle with four? Same for a mono pitching off a center axis vs cats with two. You can actually beach a cat and fear no tipping over. Try that with a mono and offshore wave crushing deep v hull. Don’t expect that to snap back.

Cats are just better. Old guys should know that.
 
#30 · (Edited)
WTF R U babbling about? Here's an idea. Go snap roll a cat in 20ft seas and prove me wrong. Snap it in half while you're at it. Get soaked.
Don't need 20 foot seas, buddy just told you it snap rolls in 2-3 foot seas,

kim mentioned that as well. That does not compute in your brain ?

Can't follow the conversation? What's drifting have to do with ride comfort? You want them to take three weeks to get there?

Your example was comparing a ferry cat traveling
to a small fishing cat drifting, makes sense to you maybe.


Bitching about the fact there's no cabin on a fishing boat? It's a freakin fishing boat. Don't need no stinken cabin. What are you? A lumber jack? Enough with the freakin cabins.
Nobody is bitching about a cabin, more you just don't seem to comprehend.

Point was, if you want a cabin, you will sacrifice large amount of deck space
with a cat, where you won't have to do the same with a mono hull.
I guess losing fishing space and walkaround ability is not really a major
thing on a boat designed for fishing, learn something new every day.

See that pointing nose on that YF you're spouting chit about? On a cat it's almost as wide as it is aft. Technically speaking. Foot for foot length wise the cat always has more square footage up top.
Wow, you might be right, that pointy bow sure does suck,
compared to a nice wide one about 8 feet wide.
When I fighting a fish on the starboard side and he heads
to the bow and under the boat,
that 8 foot wide bow on the cat will sure be an advantage in this case,
making it very easy to pass around the bow of the boat,
much easier than that pointy narrow bow mono hull.
Again, learning something new every day,
why I like to communicate with you so much.


Here's another fact. Those sponsons have sharper angle down meaning more waterline. Like you said. It's all about reaching the next wave. Foot for foot. The cat has more reach.

Sharper angle down actually equates to LESS waterline, but lets not physics
get in the way of your statement. More hull in the water, more drag.
Go fast mono hulls run on pad near the stern for the most part,
with the front part out of the water, but there to offer support to span a wave.


Something also you've forgotten. That trapped air under the tunnel cushions the fall. Why cats ride better. No slamming. No back problems.
Cats can slam just like mono hulls, they are not some magical cure for impact

on the water in rough seas. Since the tunnel is open on both ends,
the air cannot compress much, and thus its "cushioning" is limited.
In rough seas, you will find that on smaller cats, the waves slap under
the tunnel and cause a type of pounding, and in many cases the sea height
is the limiting factor in the smoothness of the ride.
Hint, why Freemans and other like it are so so tall in the bow, for more
wave height clearance to keep the hull moving fast in bigger seas.
Trade off, not landing fish in the bow, and have a tough bow to get around
with a bigger fish.
Cats having wider spacing between engines handle better at the dock.
If dock handling is such a major consideration,

the "captain" probably lacks the proper boat handling skills for the open water.

Most plane on one engine because they draft less and more efficient. Try that with a mono set for two.
So will any properly powered twin engine mono hull.

You can get them up on plane with one engine.
Surprised the vastly experience captain like yourself is

completely unaware of that.

WC have separate fuel systems and with that single planing engine can get you back. Redundancy when it matters most how it matters most.

Mono hulls can and some are setup in a similar manner,
with separate fuel feeds to each engine, from separate tanks as well,
so a single tank that might have bad fuel, feeding two motors seperatrly
like you mention, does not foul out both motors at the same time.

Biggest obvious tell. How exactly is a motorcycle more stable than a vehicle with four? Same for a mono pitching off a center axis vs cats with two. You can actually beach a cat and fear no tipping over. Try that with a mono and offshore wave crushing deep v hull. Don't expect that to snap back.

Its obvious you retained NOTHING from the article I posted,
and rely completely on your vast captaining and boat ownership
through the years to formulate your opinions.
And much like our president, ignores all comments and facts offered
by experts in the field and relies on his knowledge,
even if he has zero experience in the field.


Cats are just better. Old guys should know that.


Video below is from the waters of my
sheep loving bro Pe Pete.
Mono hull baby !!!!!



While the high tech snowflake slow pitchers are catting around because they are so sensitive to impact
afterall they need to wear gloves while fishing to
protect that snowflake soft skin,
the old school gloveless mono hull slow guys are :)

 
#38 ·
While the high tech snowflake slow pitchers are catting around because they are so sensitive to impact
afterall they need to wear gloves while fishing to
protect that snowflake soft skin,
the old school gloveless mono hull slow guys are
Nailed it! Dat is me. Once I turned 60 I am all about the comfort. And shelter. Both of my cats had a cabin, though smallish. Storage and comfort when overnighting, and with family aboard, shelter from the storm. And a place to sleep in comfort on the 3 hour ride home after an all nighter of pulling 400 pounds of bottom dwelling protein and pelagic's.

Both of my cats had a way to walk to the bow to anchor, fight fish or tie up to an offshore platform. On calm days guests liked to ride on the bow, leaning against the cabin front side.

Though I am no snowflake, my hands do have problems. I took to wearing gloves early on. When you make your living with million dollar hands, you tend to protect them. I have palmar psoriasis on both hands from repetitive trauma. My index and middle fingers have it too where friction from pulling anchors and tying knots on heavy monofilament. I always wear gloves, mostly on my left hand. Easy to handle fish that come aboard.

And I am all about the 'sea anchor' sky hook deal. I refuse to be anchor bitch anymore unless it guarantees a good catch. It was a dream to fish my buddy's 26 Pathfinder with a 36 volt trolling motor keeping us on the spot. My brother who has guided/chartered for decades in his 23 Dorado swears by his too.

I have yet to fish with the sky hook type technology with big outboards. Does anyone have experience with joystick positioning features? Seems like it would make life a bunch easier for us gentlemen fishermen who do it for recreation. or as a for hire Captain.

HJ, you win the meme awards hands down. Congratulations. However I would watch out for conformational bias creeping into your logic.

I suggest you check out Twin Vee boats used by law enforcement and water based governmental uses.

Here in the Fl panhandle Sea Tow uses cat boats almost exclusively.

My buddy with the Pathfinder traded for a 34 Jupiter pimped to the max. So I fish it and as well, along with my neighbor with the 31 Prowler cat. There is NO COMPARISON. Need I say which one I would want to own (if I could afford it).
 
#32 · (Edited)
Nice cat.
Another very valid comparison.
We're talking about a fishing boat,
I show an 80mph mono hull fishing boat,
and you show a 180 mph racing cat.

While you will get to the spot faster
and maybe a bit smoother ride,
it won't be as much fun to fish from
your cat as the mono hull shown.

But I am starting to get your drift.
Compare a ferry cat to a smaller mono hull or cat boat.
Compare a racing cat to a fishing mono hull.
Make perfect sense.

And once again, as always and forever
you are RIGHT.


I stand corrected
and bow before your vast nautical knowledge.

I'm not reading all that nonsense
I was responding to all the nonsense you posted,
such as wide bows are better than narrow bows,
and pretty much everything else you commented on and
got completely wrong.
But not reading it, like you state,
means, like I have said all along,
YOU BELIEVE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING.
Why you feel you do not have to read responses to your comments,
you know everything there is nothing for you to learn.
Thus, you never learn anything and remain the same uniformed
person you have been through out your existence.


The reality is,
YOU REALLY JUST LIKE TO TALK,
ABOUT ANYTHING UNDER THE SUN
YOU HAVE TO COMMENT ABOUT STUFF
YOU HAVE ZERO KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE IN.
YOU LOVE TO HEAR YOURSELF TALK.

YOU BLOW SO MUCH HOT AIR ALL THE TIME
YOU SHOULD CONSIDER A CATAMARAN SAIL BOAT.
 
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#34 · (Edited)
What I really find most humorous,
this morning and until after lunch,
YOU WERE ASKING ME AND OTHERS MULTIPLE TIMES
"TRYING TO LEARN", YOUR OWN WORDS,
ABOUT WHAT CONDITIONS CAUSE SNAP ROLLING WITH A CAT.


And yet, you have the perfect cat picked out,
know snap rolling does not happen in the real world,
know cats are just better than mono hulls,
debate and contradict any information presented,
and all your other expertise comments about cats.
Just a few short hours after not knowing about why
cats can potentially snap roll.


Truly amazing the speed at which you obtain your expertise
in a topic.


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#39 ·
Garriga, I'd ask your questions over on the hull truth. Guys way more knowledgeable about both hulls there and you'll get some good info. They'll put the trolls to shame there too.

There's only one reason I bought my Sea Cat, I rode on other cats. That's enough for me. If I could go with a bigger one I would have, but my 23 suits me just fine.
 
#41 ·
Garriga, I'd ask your questions over on the hull truth. Guys way more knowledgeable about both hulls there and you'll get some good info. They'll put the trolls to shame there too.

There's only one reason I bought my Sea Cat, I rode on other cats. That's enough for me. If I could go with a bigger one I would have, but my 23 suits me just fine.
I read the posts. They've covered this good. Why I question HJs outlandish claim of snap roll flipping a cat over. He doesn't grasp the concept that perhaps seas which would flop a cat may as well flip same size mono. Everything has compromised. Just don't fish conditions that for a particular hull would become a sacrifice.
 
#50 ·
Anybody Watch this Video ??

Forget the nauticraft, look at the mono and cat.

Go to 26 seconds,
all three boats are riding next to each other,
mono is in the middle, cat is on the outside.
Cat went airborne multiple times with very
hard landings
and had to come off throttle and slow down.
Mono hull rode much better through the same sea,
with no launching and less pounding.


Go to 1:10,
here you will see a cat do something Garriga claims
doesn't happen, like snap rolling, a cat leans to the outside in turn,
opposite of the way a mono hull acts,
causing instability in turns.

Go to 2:50,
cat is running in what looks like 3-4 foot seas,
I don't see some amazing smooth ride to what a
mono hull would do in similar sea conditions.
Mono might fare better, like it did at 26 seconds.
It certainly does not suggest smooth ride to me.

 
#53 ·
WC/Freeman don't handle like that. Neither leans out on speed turns. You of all should know hull design goes beyond mono or cat. Both of the options I'm considering don't have those tendencies.

BTW, I've seen that flexed sponson option. Bad ass. Probably too expensive. Would make a possible option for long range runs depending on fuel efficiency. Yet nothing to do with this discussion. Although I believe I'd categorize it as a Cat? No?
 
#65 ·
Can't see any style of anchoring with rode beat out the convenience of a 36 volt trolling motor setup that has the ability to keep you in one spot. It's electric. No fumes. No noise. Much quieter than deploying an anchor.
Anchor makes noise for 1 second, the splash.
Trolling motor whirring for the next few hours,
is definetly much less noise.

Wind is coming from the north,
current is from the east.
You will spin in circles with your trolling motor anchor,
hey, something that seems to be important to you with cats.

How classic,
the official TROLL of 360,
is now trolling for responses,
about anchoring.
Trollers should stick with trolling,
not anchoring, another thing they have no clue about,
along with boats, packing rods for travel, captaining,
finding fish and a whole host of other marine related activities.

What you going to disagree about next,
where the sun rises ?
 
#71 ·
Bow too high? I'm going to go with the assumption most operators know to adjust trim while still maintaining sight of upcoming waves and obstructions. ;)
Capt Gilligan, how do you trim out a boat in a following sea coming down
a big wave ???? You have all of a couple of seconds.

It seems you know how to parrot some nautical terms,
yet have no practical or working understanding of those words,
such as your comments about trimming a boat in response
to a bow up situation.

I assume, you are referring to trim tabs.
While they work to push the bow down with
the tabs down while traveling OVER the waves
at speed,
when you are in a FOLLOWING SEA,
which is what we are talking about,
you are making speed over ground,
but NOT speed over waves.
So, if you are foolish enough to put your
tabs down in a following sea to push the bow
down to correct for a too high bow up situation,
you expose more surface area, thus stern to
the following sea,
and you push the bow up HIGHER,
the last thing you want to do.

So what should you have learned.
You should stop commenting about stuff you have
no experience or working knowledge of.
Of course, I never expect that to happen.

More importantly, you should have learned
you really do not know much about driving a boat,
and if you ever do buy a boat,
you are a perfect candidate for seaschool
and some onwater lessons,
before you get out there and do your thing.
Of course, being the expert armchair captain
you are, you will ignore this as well.

Even more importantly,
to others reading this.
If the day does come Capt Garriga gets a boat,
and he comes on here looking for people to share expenses.
Might want to give some consideration to the
comments and lack of experience your capt will have.
Kind of makes for a potentially dangerous situation out there for you.
 
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