Using the Rail--Discussion Thread: - Page 5

ksong · 05-05-2008, 12:22 PM

Railing is a rare occasion that shorter guys like me have an advantage.

bunile · 05-05-2008, 05:25 PM

They use this technique for hunting Bison , ( Supporting their weapon on something similar to a fulcrom ) it keeps the aim steady and holds up the heavy rifle. Both methods assist in the killing of BIG GAME, gee; I hate to be a Know-it-all but this topic seems to be going into a loop repeating the same info over and over until the talk is way off subject, Thanks for taking the time to instruct a guy about using the Rail and not feel bad while learning what this takes to do it well.

DeepBlueGulf · 05-09-2008, 02:57 PM

I was going through some pictures from a past Big E trip. This is kind of an example of how the rail on the Big E can be used. Anybody recognize those two East Texas goats?

DBG

Uncle Russ · 05-09-2008, 03:58 PM

Deep Blue: Now you are talking. Out of 5 pages of posts, that is the kind of info I was looking for. I just hate it today when people post things on a thread that aren't directly related to it.

I have fished up there in the bow at night, blind casting when no bite was on during drifts. I'm just wondering if you would be in a world of hurt up there with that anchor rope if the fish took you over to your right. What the hell would you do?

Bretabaker: The rail rod I bought is a Calstar-made Accurate that also is 6 1/2 feet long--the 7468H model. It is really heavy and has Windon guides. But the grip length, both in front of and behind the reel seat, is exactly the same as the Calstar/Accurate 760 H. So the main difference in dimensions is that the blank itself is 8 inches longer--which I suppose is to fit out over the rail.

Russ

gman · 05-09-2008, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Russ

Deep Blue: Now you are talking. Out of 5 pages of posts, that is the kind of info I was looking for. I just hate it today when people post things on a thread that aren't directly related to it.

I have fished up there in the bow at night, blind casting when no bite was on during drifts. I'm just wondering if you would be in a world of hurt up there with that anchor rope if the fish took you over to your right. What the hell would you do?

Bretabaker: The rail rod I bought is a Calstar-made Accurate that also is 6 1/2 feet long--the 7468H model. It is really heavy and has Windon guides. But the grip length, both in front of and behind the reel seat, is exactly the same as the Calstar/Accurate 760 H. So the main difference in dimensions is that the blank itself is 8 inches longer--which I suppose is to fit out over the rail.

Russ

POOF thought just entered my head ... this is perfect for you

Russ I want you to purchase the following DVD's online today .. Big Fish Big Boat I & II. They are two videos of long range fishing on the excell and show in detail people using both the rail and harnesses fighting 200-300# tuna with 35 guys around them. Along with how to swing your rod around the anchor line, using helium balloons to get baits out there and using a kite. Also goes into rigging

Best advice I ever gave you

jig · 05-09-2008, 04:23 PM

Since all my fishing is party boat style, the rail is there and high enough to use. So I use it. ALso, the tuna shuffle is usually screwed up by the one guy in a harness who cannot move around efficiently.

Kil, I have a new technique that is similar that I use with a spinner (since I cannot use the rail). I have one of those super oversized butt caps that I put on after I hook up. I use it like a rod huki but place the rod end on a good spot on upper leg. I use a stiff arm to hold the rod, and then fight fish as if I am in a harness by leaning back into the rod with my legs. Since I am stiff armed the whole time, and only really using my legs, I can fight the tuna much faster without wearing out my arms (usually already worn out from so much jigging). I have been amazed at how much pressure I can put on a big tuna without tiring at all. I have not used a harness since. But then, our tuna max out around the century mark.

Minnow · 05-09-2008, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Russ

Deep Blue: Now you are talking. Out of 5 pages of posts, that is the kind of info I was looking for. I just hate it today when people post things on a thread that aren't directly related to it.

I have fished up there in the bow at night, blind casting when no bite was on during drifts. I'm just wondering if you would be in a world of hurt up there with that anchor rope if the fish took you over to your right. What the hell would you do?

Russ

Russ,

I have the same spot few times and this is what I would do.
If I fish heavy drag and have time to loosen the drag, I will do so and follow my fish go around the anchor.

I do the same thing on the sportfisher if I hook a good fish , I will loosen the drag and walk back to the cockpit and fight it from there, JMO

ksong · 05-09-2008, 04:36 PM

I usually use a 8' long rod for tuna jigging and it prohibits the use of a harness, especially when you have a bad back like me.
Here are pictures of the use of the rail on a private boat and a party boat.
The bottom picture shows how I fight a tuna without the rail with a long rod.

MrBill · 05-09-2008, 04:43 PM

Looking at that picture of the anchor line coming off the Big E, you will have to do some quick rigging if the fish is under the anchor line and wants to take you to the starboard side. (right of bow) If the fish goes over the anchor line, you're in good shape.

The only way to get the line under a anchor rope that is that low is to tie off the reel with a 1/4" rope through the lugs or tie it off above the reel seat above the reel. Send the rod and reel free holding onto the 1/4" rope. Once the rod and reel is visible on the other side, use a gaff to retrieve your outfit. It will take two people that are on the ball. For damn sure, loosen the drag to around 10 pounds while doing your transfer.

Uncle Russ · 05-09-2008, 05:16 PM

gman: Just ordered both plus another one called "Deep Color" so if they are that good, I won't need you any more.

TJ and MrBill:Sounds like you are saying pretty much the same thing. I have some 3/8 inch kevlar rope testing 7000 pounds or so that might work.

Kil: ?For some reason, I can't see your pictures here at work, but thanks, I will check them out at home.

jig:I can't picture what your technique looks like, but all I can say is this: try it out sometime in say, 2040 and then visit my grave and tell me how it feels.

Thanks, everyone. This is exactly the kind of dialog I was hoping for. Coincidentally, just after I posted about the Calstar 7465 rail rod, I got a call back from the Calstar sales rep out in the People's Republic of California in answer to some questions I had about that blank. he confirmed my suspicions that it is an extremely heavy blank (I have trouble lifting it without a hernia) and says that the "4" in the model number designates a line of rail rods. The walls are heavier in the butt end to support resting on the rail. I said: "So if I were crazy enough to want to, I could strap an ATD 80 on it lined with Jerry Brown 200 pound, crank the drag up beyond 50 pounds, lay it on the rail and not have to worry about breaking it?" He replied: "Absolutely."

So now the question is this: Does anyone have an ATD 80 in excellent condition they would like to sell cheap?

Russ

05-05-2008, 05:25 PM	#42 (permalink)
bunile Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: surf Posts: 108	They use this technique for hunting Bison , ( Supporting their weapon on something similar to a fulcrom ) it keeps the aim steady and holds up the heavy rifle. Both methods assist in the killing of BIG GAME, gee; I hate to be a Know-it-all but this topic seems to be going into a loop repeating the same info over and over until the talk is way off subject, Thanks for taking the time to instruct a guy about using the Rail and not feel bad while learning what this takes to do it well. __________________ IT STAYS WITH YOU Last edited by bunile : 05-05-2008 at 05:29 PM.

05-09-2008, 03:58 PM	#44 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,136	Deep Blue: Now you are talking. Out of 5 pages of posts, that is the kind of info I was looking for. I just hate it today when people post things on a thread that aren't directly related to it. I have fished up there in the bow at night, blind casting when no bite was on during drifts. I'm just wondering if you would be in a world of hurt up there with that anchor rope if the fish took you over to your right. What the hell would you do? Bretabaker: The rail rod I bought is a Calstar-made Accurate that also is 6 1/2 feet long--the 7468H model. It is really heavy and has Windon guides. But the grip length, both in front of and behind the reel seat, is exactly the same as the Calstar/Accurate 760 H. So the main difference in dimensions is that the blank itself is 8 inches longer--which I suppose is to fit out over the rail. Russ __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm."

05-09-2008, 04:36 PM	#48 (permalink)
ksong Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,418	I usually use a 8' long rod for tuna jigging and it prohibits the use of a harness, especially when you have a bad back like me. Here are pictures of the use of the rail on a private boat and a party boat. The bottom picture shows how I fight a tuna without the rail with a long rod. Last edited by ksong : 05-09-2008 at 05:02 PM.

05-09-2008, 05:16 PM	#50 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,136	gman: Just ordered both plus another one called "Deep Color" so if they are that good, I won't need you any more. TJ and MrBill:Sounds like you are saying pretty much the same thing. I have some 3/8 inch kevlar rope testing 7000 pounds or so that might work. Kil: ?For some reason, I can't see your pictures here at work, but thanks, I will check them out at home. jig:I can't picture what your technique looks like, but all I can say is this: try it out sometime in say, 2040 and then visit my grave and tell me how it feels. Thanks, everyone. This is exactly the kind of dialog I was hoping for. Coincidentally, just after I posted about the Calstar 7465 rail rod, I got a call back from the Calstar sales rep out in the People's Republic of California in answer to some questions I had about that blank. he confirmed my suspicions that it is an extremely heavy blank (I have trouble lifting it without a hernia) and says that the "4" in the model number designates a line of rail rods. The walls are heavier in the butt end to support resting on the rail. I said: "So if I were crazy enough to want to, I could strap an ATD 80 on it lined with Jerry Brown 200 pound, crank the drag up beyond 50 pounds, lay it on the rail and not have to worry about breaking it?" He replied: "Absolutely." So now the question is this: Does anyone have an ATD 80 in excellent condition they would like to sell cheap? Russ __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm."

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05-05-2008, 12:22 PM	#41 (permalink)
ksong Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,418	Railing is a rare occasion that shorter guys like me have an advantage.

05-09-2008, 04:23 PM	#46 (permalink)
jig Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 241	Since all my fishing is party boat style, the rail is there and high enough to use. So I use it. ALso, the tuna shuffle is usually screwed up by the one guy in a harness who cannot move around efficiently. Kil, I have a new technique that is similar that I use with a spinner (since I cannot use the rail). I have one of those super oversized butt caps that I put on after I hook up. I use it like a rod huki but place the rod end on a good spot on upper leg. I use a stiff arm to hold the rod, and then fight fish as if I am in a harness by leaning back into the rod with my legs. Since I am stiff armed the whole time, and only really using my legs, I can fight the tuna much faster without wearing out my arms (usually already worn out from so much jigging). I have been amazed at how much pressure I can put on a big tuna without tiring at all. I have not used a harness since. But then, our tuna max out around the century mark.

05-09-2008, 04:43 PM	#49 (permalink)
MrBill Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,211	Looking at that picture of the anchor line coming off the Big E, you will have to do some quick rigging if the fish is under the anchor line and wants to take you to the starboard side. (right of bow) If the fish goes over the anchor line, you're in good shape. The only way to get the line under a anchor rope that is that low is to tie off the reel with a 1/4" rope through the lugs or tie it off above the reel seat above the reel. Send the rod and reel free holding onto the 1/4" rope. Once the rod and reel is visible on the other side, use a gaff to retrieve your outfit. It will take two people that are on the ball. For damn sure, loosen the drag to around 10 pounds while doing your transfer.

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