One Pitch Slider Issue

[gman]

OK Im going to chime in here seeing as my name is being thrown around in this conversation.

I know the difference in knowing a rods limitations. Im not a googen who high sticked this rod to death. I know my angles at boatside and I fight with both confidence and a very specific strategy in mind for the first run, for gaining line afterwards, for death circles and the end game. I keep to my game plan. Unfortunately there comes a time when a finesse rod will not cut it on a big fish especially boatside and also at times things happen so quickly that events such as these are ultimately unavoidable.

I fell in love with this rod becuase of its action but it is being used on fish that are much larger than its intended purpose. I've used both the 48XXH and the 52XH for years so i know how to use Hots products.

These arent the fish that were fought up in Cape Cod, these fish are full of energy and in 900' of water in heavy 4knot currents where they wont budge so you need to change angles on them and move them if not you will be there for hours. This was not user error. The rod broke like many others before it and I believe Hots needs to address them

[MrBill]

IMO,
That one pitch slider is really a sweet rod, but it's not made for end of battle circumstances with 200# fish. You can kill an elephant with a bow/arrow, but that isn't it's intended use.

[Enoch]

Originally Posted by MrBill

IMO,
That one pitch slider is really a sweet rod, but it's not made for end of battle circumstances with 200# fish. You can kill an elephant with a bow/arrow, but that isn't it's intended use.

I agree with you MrBill. The original design by Minami of HOTS was for Kingfish. I think the target range is 120lbs or so in very deep and moving waters. 50kg fish in south waters of Japan.

I know the cult following just loves the name, style, build, bend, and lightness of these rods and I think that's why we target fish over that which it is designed for with it.

[Eastern Tackle]

Originally Posted by ksong

In fact, it is much easier to jig 200g - 300g jigs with 400g - 500g rod.

I must have the misconception, because I disagree 110%.

[ksong]

Glenn, thanks for your honest opinion.
Thai fishermen on the Royal Star and you are very experienced fishermen. If some novice fishermen broke the rods, I wouldn't have posted it from the start.
I don't think there is any defect of the rods at all. I just think the rods is not true PE8 rods as they stated. I would rate the rod as PE6 - PE7 rods which has max drag of 25 lbs.
When Enoch and myself caught a 200 lbs tuna on the same rod, the drag was 23 - 25 lbs.
We think bluefin out of Hatteras fight hard. But cow off Mexico fight much harder. The rod is not for those tuna and use the rod within the limitation.


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[ksong]

Originally Posted by Eastern Tackle

I must have the misconception, because I disagree 110%.

Jim, you don't have to agree with me as I don't have to agree with other fishermen as we fish for ourselves.
450g rod' is not broom stick as tip is about size #9 or #10. I can give any action I want with 450g rod for 200 g - 300g tuna jigs.


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[pametfisher]

There's a lot of talk about size of fish in this thread. The photos of the amazing NC trips, with its top notch anglers, also show a number of rods bent to almost 180 degrees.

Other than the quickness with which a large fish can change direction or intentions, the issues are drag and bend, not the size of fish.

The approximate numbers go like this:

30 dgr. bend in rod, load is 50% of drag
60 dgr. bend, load is 100% of drag
90 dgr. bend, load is 140% of drag
180 dgr. bend, load is 200% of drag

The actual drag at any moment (assuming no palming), is what you set times the full spool to actual spool diameter. So if you set the drag to 22 lbs., the fish dove to the bottom in 900' of water, and if the bail was high on the spool (photo below) with line coming off the bottom, the drag could momentarily get to 50 lbs. If you high sticked the rod at this point, the load on the rod would be about 100 lbs. If you "only" bent the rod to 90 degrees, the load would still be about 70 lbs.

I know these numbers are hypothetical but are a good indication of how forces can build in real fishing situations.

Note the 30 degree angle of line coming off the almost empty spool it increases the drag by about 25%.

[MikeF]

just so we're clear, what do you guys mean with the term "high sticking". I assume that refers to grabbing the rod above the foregrip.

[pametfisher]

Originally Posted by MikeF

just so we're clear, what do you guys mean with the term "high sticking". I assume that refers to grabbing the rod above the foregrip.

Good question, I mean bending the rod more than 120 degrees. Others may mean something else. There are several photos in the three NC threads where the rod looks bent more than 120 degrees, albeit from my view at the computer terminal.

[d-a]

Originally Posted by MikeF

just so we're clear, what do you guys mean with the term "high sticking". I assume that refers to grabbing the rod above the foregrip.

In the picture linked below high sticking is going over 60 degrees.

http://www.australianangling.com.au/...ROD_ANGLES.jpg

d-a