Long Range DVD s - Page 3

Uncle Russ · 05-21-2008, 08:44 PM

So Glenn, are you keeping it under your arm while you move the lever up off freespool, to strike, pointed straight at the fish and still running 22 lbs, then tuck it into the gimbal on the belt and start fighting?

PurEvl · 05-21-2008, 09:02 PM

It would be something along the lines of when your dropping a jig and it hits it on the drop. Throw it in strike and set the hook then move it to your gimbal. If using circle hooks like Glenn, throw in strike then reel down until it's hooked them move to gimbal.

gman · 05-21-2008, 09:03 PM

So here it is ... Yes to your question. I am holding the rod under my right arm, my right hand is cupped around the right side plate of the spool with my right thumb on the spool. My left hand is peeling line out a arms length at a time.

When I hook up my left hand stops peeling line and grabs the front grip while I push lever to strike with my right hand

jureal · 05-22-2008, 11:51 AM

Charkbait and Shimano had a big fight over Shimano's MSRP policies. Shimano did not allow Charkbait to advertise selling reels below msrp. What you did in actuallity did not matter, they just did not want them to advertise a lower price than msrp.... period. Charkbait then dropped Shimano products and just quit selling them all together.

The SD long range boats usually fish on the anchor. Live bait works best, there is an abundance of it, so that is what they use. Chumming is the norm to attract fish to the boat. Spectra is used extensively on the LR boats and the use of hollow spectra is the norm. Spinning reels are almost never used because of capacity issues and the "coffee grinder" west coast mentality but as stated, this is changing.

The use of a harness is not typically used until the fish has settled down into making the deep circles and the fish is straight up and down. It is extremely hard to move very quickly, go over and under other anglers' lines while in the harness. The rod is typically under your arms when you need to make quick moves to follow your fish and it is customary to give the fisherman with the fish priority over those that are just fishing... When the fish moves to the bow and over to the other side, there will be a deck hand there to pass your rod either over or under the anchor line. So much for any IGFA record considerations when this happens. The gaff lenghts used on these boats will usually disqualify potential IGFA records also as they exceed the 8 ft maximum lenght. Essentially, during the fight, the angler goes in and out of his rod pad as dictated by the obstacles and the movement of the fish. As I said earlier, you don't use the harness until the fish has settled into the up and down position or going straight out ( this typically happens when the angler is using too light of a drag or too light line ). Sometimes, the fish is especially tough and the crew will opt to use the skiff. The skiff is equipped with a fighting chair and gives the angler the chance of landing that fish without other anglers getting in the way. Essentially, the fish pulls and skiff and is fighting the resistance of the skiff rather than the angler and will quickly tire. They only have the angler and one deck hand so when it comes time to land the fish, they use a flying gaff. Often, the fish is too big to bring aboard so it is just towed back to the big boat. It is fun to go on these 17+ day trips but the boat ride down and back takes up most of the time out to sea. I went to the Hurricane bank three years ago and ended up with 7 days fishing for a 17 day trip. These days, I prefer to fly down to Puerto Vallarta and fish every day with a bed on dry land to sleep at night after a nice dinner at a restaurant.

Uncle Russ · 05-22-2008, 02:31 PM

Thanks Puevl and gman. Now I have a new method to screw up.

jureal: You are a wealth of information, my friend. Thanks very much.

Russ

fishordie · 05-23-2008, 01:21 PM

Well,

Since I was in Big Boat Big Fish II, Filmed in 2005 and Happen to fish both the Rail and Harness, and have been West Coast Long Range fishing for around 45years, I might as well weigh in.

As Jureal stated, BBBF I Was filmed before the regular use of Spectra and thus you saw the use of much larger Reels such as Penn 50 Wides and 80's.
Anglers stilll were spooled and you would find both the use of Skiffs as well as second or even third Rigs attached to the harness lugs or ?? as back ups when the first rig was getting spooled. Sometimes you just did not have time to hop into a skiff so it was not un common to throw your $1000.00 rod and reel right over the side while you held on to the backup rig. Yes, the first time one does that it takes all your faith to make that toss.

On BBBF II, there was never a need to use the skiff or a back up rig as everyone on that boat was well versed in the use of Spectra, top shots
After Market free spool and drag upgrades, etc. On this trip we had well over 70 Yellowfin over 200#'s and many, many more over 100#'s as well as plenty of Wahoo. Also released were probably a hundred fish under 100#'s not including the rats. Most all, but the big fish were released, yet we still filled the 25 ton holds of the Excel. Many of us continued to release 200# + fish.
At the time it was an all time record for the number of Cows caught and boated let alone the number released.

One other thing Dennis Braid did, which I thought was really cool, was for every fish over 100#'s an angler released, they put a tag into a Coffee Can.
If you released a fish estimated at over 200#'s you got two tags put in. At the end of the trip the angler who RELEASED the most big fish got a nice Etched/Crystal glass trophy. I have used this great idea since on other long range trips.

Oh yeah, There was also the little noted part about the WFO Marlin fest we had going for about 4 hours until we got sick of the damn things. I hooked about 14 marlin in that time as well as Dorado and Wahoo which were layered underneath if you could get through the Marlin using thrown artificials. Talk about insane.... sheesh. This was a trip that will unlikely be matched. The Royal Polaris had a trip that followed soon after that actually brought home even more Cows but I do not believe they got the additional Marlin, Dorado and Wahoo action we did.

As far as drags go, My Accurates, right out the box, get over 60 #'s of drag.However, in West Coast Long Range fishing the guy with the most drag capability is not necessarily the guy who lands the fish the quickest or has the most fish. 60#'s is Way more than I can use as I almost never bust off fish unless I am trying to land a cow in 5 minutes and dont care if I bust it off. On that trip I fished almost exclusively Accurate 30's, high speeded as well as an additional double action cam so I can get as much drag as I need on one setting and got way more than my share of big fish and never came close to getting spooled. Addmitedly, many of the guys looked at me like I was crazy. I was never undergunned and was hooked up regularly. Needless to say, the following year I saw more smaller reels and less 80 size reels from this group.

One of the problems I had with the final cut was you will almost exclusively see Penns and Shimano's(Think Corportate Sponsorship) as weall as most of the guys on that trip used standard or after market turbo charged Penn Internationals. Even though the majority of my fish were caught on Accurates, much of my portions of the film was edited down to mostly my Penn reel use but I no longer fish those reels. Too bad as some of the footage using the smaller Accurates were fantastic. (We got to see the uncut footage every night) One of them actually included a section where a 260# tuna I on had on hit Dan (The Camera guy) right in the chest while at death circle. Too bad this got cut as it was amazing as the film caught the entire occurance and then the ensuing gaffing of the fish.

As far as Spinners Vs. Conventionals: Since I have used spinners for more years than I care to remember for light line and now for heavier line, I still use similar approaches to using the rod by pointing it at the fish and short stroking to take in line. Those of you who mentioned holding the rod under the arm and feeding line...... I do the same with both spinners and Conventionals. And yes you can use almost as much drag as you wish with stand up harness or rail fishing. We are not too concerned with structure out there so most of us do not start with Max drag to turn the fish. I generally start with my strike setting at around 28#'s, but only go about 3/4 of strike when setting the hook. Rarely do I go over 35#'s of drag and the cows are usually landed within 30 minutes. With the use of Circle hooks and all but the big tuna hooks, we just keep the rod tip pointed at the fish and wind to set the hook.
I have added taking a step back when the line goes tight to help lodge the hook and never have I had a problem with hooking anywhere other than the corner of the mouth.

As far as Jigs and poppers go for bigger fish, I have been using them for decades. I have caught hundreds of yellowfin to 175 pounds on my
Spanyid Raiders as well as Tuna Hunter and Braid poppers as well as some TNT's and PL68's. At night, I would catch dozens of tuna on Jigs only with many going well over 100 pounds.

Almost all of they guys on that trip use Braids Powerplay line of Belt, plate and drop straps. These are guys who have been going ultra long range for many years and are sold on this method. I too use the harness but use it in conjuction with the rail. Both systems have their place depending on how the fight is going and what we are reacting to.

I am not going to compare the GOM to West Coast fishing as to me I am just as happy fly fishing trout in Montana as I am catching Cows in Mexican Waters. Fishing is Fishing and I love it all.

As far as rod holders we do have them on Long Range Boats. They are called Anglers. WE hold the gear, even the big 80's, sometimes for days on end. Sometimes, I have seen guys who are up on the kite, stand there for a day and a half without giving up. NOT ME as I am not that big on fishing the kite but it is exciting to watch a 300# tuna boil or even come out of the water trying to grab a kite bait. Almost as much fun as watching them chase a top water artificial. Lately, the Yumee Flyers(Plastic Imitations of flying fish) have been working great under the kite or helium balloon.

Anyway, thats my input. Watching old films can be a great way to partially ease the blues that come with having not fished for a few months..... UGHHH.
I inherited my dads collection and have some of my own and still enjoy them to this day. Watching them over and over again while the boat is heading to the fishing grounds never gets old.

Jamie

MrBill · 05-23-2008, 01:59 PM

Jamie,

I don't have a lot of patients. Don't you go nuts riding on the boat for three days or more until you hit the fishing grounds. Does anyone offer a helicopter ride out and ride back to the dock? I think it would be worth the price. Don't the LR boats out of SD only cruise about 7 knots?

I've been on a boat in the GOM where two guys lowered themselves to our boat from a copter. It was expensive, but they saved a 150 mile trip in 6-8's.

gman · 05-23-2008, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishordie

Well,

Since I was in Big Boat Big Fish II, Filmed in 2005 and Happen to fish both the Rail and Harness, and have been West Coast Long Range fishing for around 45years, I might as well weigh in.

As Jureal stated, BBBF I Was filmed before the regular use of Spectra and thus you saw the use of much larger Reels such as Penn 50 Wides and 80's.
Anglers stilll were spooled and you would find both the use of Skiffs as well as second or even third Rigs attached to the harness lugs or ?? as back ups when the first rig was getting spooled. Sometimes you just did not have time to hop into a skiff so it was not un common to throw your $1000.00 rod and reel right over the side while you held on to the backup rig. Yes, the first time one does that it takes all your faith to make that toss.

On BBBF II, there was never a need to use the skiff or a back up rig as everyone on that boat was well versed in the use of Spectra, top shots
After Market free spool and drag upgrades, etc. On this trip we had well over 70 Yellowfin over 200#'s and many, many more over 100#'s as well as plenty of Wahoo. Also released were probably a hundred fish under 100#'s. Most all, but the big fish were released, yet we still filled the 25 ton holds of the Excel. Many of us continued to release 200# + fish.
At the time it was an all time record for the number of Cows caught and boated let alone the number released.

One other thing Dennis Braid did, which I thought was really cool, was for every fish over 100#'s an angler released, they put a tag into a Coffee Can.
If you released a fish estimated at over 200#'s you got two tags put in. At the end of the trip the angler who RELEASED the most big fish got a nice Etched/Crystal glass trophy. I have used this great idea since on other long range trips.

Oh yeah, There was also the little noted part about the WFO Marlin fest we had going for about 4 hours until we got sick of the damn things. I hooked about 14 marlin in that time as well as Dorado and Wahoo which were layered underneath if you could get through the Marlin using thrown artificials. Talk about insane.... sheesh. This was a trip that will unlikely be matched. The Royal Polaris had a trip that followed soon after that actually brought home even more Cows but I do not believe they got the additional Marlin, Dorado and Wahoo action we did.

As far as drags go, My Accurates, right out the box, get over 60 #'s of drag.However, in West Coast Long Range fishing the guy with the most drag capability is not necessarily the guy who lands the fish the quickest or has the most fish. 60#'s is Way more than I can use as I almost never bust off fish unless I am trying to land a cow in 5 minutes and dont care if I bust it off. On that trip I fished almost exclusively Accurate 30's, high speeded as well as an additional double action cam so I can get as much drag as I need on one setting and got way more than my share of big fish and never came close to getting spooled. Addmitedly, many of the guys looked at me like I was crazy. I was never undergunned and was hooked up regularly. Needless to say, the following year I saw more smaller reels and less 80 size reels from this group.

One of the problems I had with the final cut was you will almost exclusively see Penns and Shimano's(Think Corportate Sponsorship) as weall as most of the guys on that trip used standard or after market turbo charged Penn Internationals. Even though the majority of my fish were caught on Accurates, much of my portions of the film was edited down to mostly my Penn reel use but I no longer fish those reels. Too bad as some of the footage using the smaller Accurates were fantastic. (We got to see the uncut footage every night) One of them actually included a section where a 260# tuna I on had on hit Dan (The Camera guy) right in the chest while at death circle. Too bad this got cut as it was amazing as the film caught the entire occurance and then the ensuing gaffing of the fish.

As far as Spinners Vs. Conventionals: Since I have used spinners for more years than I care to remember for light line and now for heavier line, I still use similar approaches to using the rod by pointing it at the fish and short stroking to take in line. Those of you who mentioned holding the rod under the arm and feeding line...... I do the same with both spinners and Conventionals. And yes you can use almost as much drag as you wish with stand up harness or rail fishing. We are not too concerned with structure out there so most of us do not start with Max drag to turn the fish. I generally start with my strike setting at around 28#'s, but only go about 3/4 of strike when setting the hook. Rarely do I go over 35#'s of drag and the cows are usually landed within 30 minutes. With the use of Circle hooks and all but the big tuna hooks, we just keep the rod tip pointed at the fish and wind to set the hook.
I have added taking a step back when the line goes tight to help lodge the hook and never have I had a problem with hooking anywhere other than the corner of the mouth.

As far as Jigs and poppers go for bigger fish, I have been using them for decades. I have caught hundreds of yellowfin to 175 pounds on my
Spanyid Raiders as well as Tuna Hunter and Braid poppers as well as some TNT's and PL68's. At night, I would catch dozens of tuna on Jigs only with many going well over 100 pounds.

Almost all of they guys on that trip use Braids Powerplay line of Belt, plate and drop straps. These are guys who have been going ultra long range for many years and are sold on this method. I too use the harness but use it in conjuction with the rail. Both systems have their place depending on how the fight is going and what we are reacting to.

I am not going to compare the GOM to West Coast fishing as to me I am just as happy fly fishing trout in Montana as I am catching Cows in Mexican Waters. Fishing is Fishing and I love it all.

As far as rod holders we do have them on Long Range Boats. They are called Anglers. WE hold the gear, even the big 80's, sometimes for days on end. Sometimes, I have seen guys who are up on the kite, stand there for a day and a half without giving up. NOT ME as I am not that big on fishing the kite but it is exciting to watch a 300# tuna boil or even come out of the water trying to grab a kite bait. Almost as much fun as watching them chase a top water artificial. Lately, the Yumee Flyers(Plastic Imitations of flying fish) have been working great under the kite or helium balloon.

Anyway, thats my input. Watching old films can be a great way to partially ease the blues that come with having not fished for a few months..... UGHHH.
I inherited my dads collection and have some of my own and still enjoy them to this day. Watching them over and over again while the boat is heading to the fishing grounds never gets old.

Jamie

Jamie, thanks for taking the time to post that response, it was great. I am friends with Basil and he stated that their was a tremendous amount of additional footage on that trip that never made it into the DVD unfortunately

fishordie · 05-23-2008, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBill

Jamie,

I don't have a lot of patients. Don't you go nuts riding on the boat for three days or more until you hit the fishing grounds. Does anyone offer a helicopter ride out and ride back to the dock? I think it would be worth the price. Don't the LR boats out of SD only cruise about 7 knots?

I've been on a boat in the GOM where two guys lowered themselves to our boat from a copter. It was expensive, but they saved a 150 mile trip in 6-8's.

Yo Bill,

Believe me there are folks who have asked about Helicopters and such but unless there is a medical emergency it will not happen. On occasions we even have had folks pass away and in the old days the body was put in the frozen holds and we just kept on fishing. In the last few years I think a few boats have called it a trip if someone passed away. I am fairly sure they did not die from Boredom.

I grew up on the sea so to me it is a place of solace and joy. I am not going to say the 3.5 - 4 day voyage to the Hurricane cannot be boring but most of the time we are chatting up a storm, playing heavy duty games of cards, laughing at the same old jokes and tails of humiliation or ??, trading knowledge on the latest forms of tackle preperation, Making leaders and top shots, Getting to know new folks, sleeping a bunch (I just love that) and dreaming about what the adventure is going to bring, eating incrdible meals, sunning ourselves, etc. For those who want to learn how to make a top shot, learn how to work on their reels or ???? the time can pass reasonably quickly. You are right, this much relaxation for many folks is just too much as we are used to such a fast pace and other outside stimuli. The last numbers I heard is there is only about 3500 to 4000 active Long Rangers in the world. For those of us who are fortunate enough to participate it is something to cherish and look forward too no matter how many times a year or a decade we can afford to go.

The boats are getting fancier and more self contained. The new Intrepid has a capaccino machine, internet access and latest state of the art yacht type
amenities. Allmost all the boats have the ability for passengers to use the phones to take care of pressing business or just chat with loved and not so loved ones. The chefs on the boats are creating meals fit for top of the line restaurants. Showers and cleanliness of what we used to call heads and now are real bathrooms are of utmost importance. These crews really are there for your benifit and treat you, unlike most restaurant, like royalty. At least until you get to know them real well at which point they might treat you as a little less than Royalty....... More like good friends.... LOL.

I have been and continue to be fortunate to be able to fish all over the world at some of the most impressive places on earth. For me, being on a Long Range boat is every bit as enjoyable as a 5 star hotel and in most case more enjoyable as you are taken care of 24/7 and you even get to fish. For this traveler it just does not get much better than that.

As a note:We seem to be getting more and more easterners comming out west to try our brand of long range. I have yet to meet a single one that has not returned to do it all over again. Even the ones who boarded the boats with tales of how the East coast does stuff soon discovers the West Coast has its own sets of great fishing experiences not rivaled on the East Coast or the GOM. Again, it is just one more way to experience a different type of fishing. For those of us who live for the sport we should try every form there is before we die. Good, bad or indifferent I love the variety each part of the world offers. But West Coast Long Range, along with Fly fishing, is still at the top of my list.

Jamie

fishordie · 05-23-2008, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gman

Jamie, thanks for taking the time to post that response, it was great. I am friends with Basil and he stated that their was a tremendous amount of additional footage on that trip that never made it into the DVD unfortunately

Yo G,

Yup Basil is da man. I can't even imagine how many folks he has provided Class A tops shots and wind ons to but more importantly how many folks have learned the proper use of spectra from his web site or from him personally. To this day I have not heard of one single failure of his product. That says a ton about the man and his company.
2005 Was the first time I actually got to use his product and watch him ply his trade. Again, it was one more thing to do while travelling down to the Hurricane and it was fun and informative.

Jamie

05-21-2008, 08:44 PM	#21 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,049	So Glenn, are you keeping it under your arm while you move the lever up off freespool, to strike, pointed straight at the fish and still running 22 lbs, then tuck it into the gimbal on the belt and start fighting? __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm."

05-22-2008, 02:31 PM	#25 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,049	Thanks Puevl and gman. Now I have a new method to screw up. jureal: You are a wealth of information, my friend. Thanks very much. Russ __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm."

05-23-2008, 01:21 PM	#26 (permalink)
fishordie Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 48	Well, Since I was in Big Boat Big Fish II, Filmed in 2005 and Happen to fish both the Rail and Harness, and have been West Coast Long Range fishing for around 45years, I might as well weigh in. As Jureal stated, BBBF I Was filmed before the regular use of Spectra and thus you saw the use of much larger Reels such as Penn 50 Wides and 80's. Anglers stilll were spooled and you would find both the use of Skiffs as well as second or even third Rigs attached to the harness lugs or ?? as back ups when the first rig was getting spooled. Sometimes you just did not have time to hop into a skiff so it was not un common to throw your $1000.00 rod and reel right over the side while you held on to the backup rig. Yes, the first time one does that it takes all your faith to make that toss. On BBBF II, there was never a need to use the skiff or a back up rig as everyone on that boat was well versed in the use of Spectra, top shots After Market free spool and drag upgrades, etc. On this trip we had well over 70 Yellowfin over 200#'s and many, many more over 100#'s as well as plenty of Wahoo. Also released were probably a hundred fish under 100#'s not including the rats. Most all, but the big fish were released, yet we still filled the 25 ton holds of the Excel. Many of us continued to release 200# + fish. At the time it was an all time record for the number of Cows caught and boated let alone the number released. One other thing Dennis Braid did, which I thought was really cool, was for every fish over 100#'s an angler released, they put a tag into a Coffee Can. If you released a fish estimated at over 200#'s you got two tags put in. At the end of the trip the angler who RELEASED the most big fish got a nice Etched/Crystal glass trophy. I have used this great idea since on other long range trips. Oh yeah, There was also the little noted part about the WFO Marlin fest we had going for about 4 hours until we got sick of the damn things. I hooked about 14 marlin in that time as well as Dorado and Wahoo which were layered underneath if you could get through the Marlin using thrown artificials. Talk about insane.... sheesh. This was a trip that will unlikely be matched. The Royal Polaris had a trip that followed soon after that actually brought home even more Cows but I do not believe they got the additional Marlin, Dorado and Wahoo action we did. As far as drags go, My Accurates, right out the box, get over 60 #'s of drag.However, in West Coast Long Range fishing the guy with the most drag capability is not necessarily the guy who lands the fish the quickest or has the most fish. 60#'s is Way more than I can use as I almost never bust off fish unless I am trying to land a cow in 5 minutes and dont care if I bust it off. On that trip I fished almost exclusively Accurate 30's, high speeded as well as an additional double action cam so I can get as much drag as I need on one setting and got way more than my share of big fish and never came close to getting spooled. Addmitedly, many of the guys looked at me like I was crazy. I was never undergunned and was hooked up regularly. Needless to say, the following year I saw more smaller reels and less 80 size reels from this group. One of the problems I had with the final cut was you will almost exclusively see Penns and Shimano's(Think Corportate Sponsorship) as weall as most of the guys on that trip used standard or after market turbo charged Penn Internationals. Even though the majority of my fish were caught on Accurates, much of my portions of the film was edited down to mostly my Penn reel use but I no longer fish those reels. Too bad as some of the footage using the smaller Accurates were fantastic. (We got to see the uncut footage every night) One of them actually included a section where a 260# tuna I on had on hit Dan (The Camera guy) right in the chest while at death circle. Too bad this got cut as it was amazing as the film caught the entire occurance and then the ensuing gaffing of the fish. As far as Spinners Vs. Conventionals: Since I have used spinners for more years than I care to remember for light line and now for heavier line, I still use similar approaches to using the rod by pointing it at the fish and short stroking to take in line. Those of you who mentioned holding the rod under the arm and feeding line...... I do the same with both spinners and Conventionals. And yes you can use almost as much drag as you wish with stand up harness or rail fishing. We are not too concerned with structure out there so most of us do not start with Max drag to turn the fish. I generally start with my strike setting at around 28#'s, but only go about 3/4 of strike when setting the hook. Rarely do I go over 35#'s of drag and the cows are usually landed within 30 minutes. With the use of Circle hooks and all but the big tuna hooks, we just keep the rod tip pointed at the fish and wind to set the hook. I have added taking a step back when the line goes tight to help lodge the hook and never have I had a problem with hooking anywhere other than the corner of the mouth. As far as Jigs and poppers go for bigger fish, I have been using them for decades. I have caught hundreds of yellowfin to 175 pounds on my Spanyid Raiders as well as Tuna Hunter and Braid poppers as well as some TNT's and PL68's. At night, I would catch dozens of tuna on Jigs only with many going well over 100 pounds. Almost all of they guys on that trip use Braids Powerplay line of Belt, plate and drop straps. These are guys who have been going ultra long range for many years and are sold on this method. I too use the harness but use it in conjuction with the rail. Both systems have their place depending on how the fight is going and what we are reacting to. I am not going to compare the GOM to West Coast fishing as to me I am just as happy fly fishing trout in Montana as I am catching Cows in Mexican Waters. Fishing is Fishing and I love it all. As far as rod holders we do have them on Long Range Boats. They are called Anglers. WE hold the gear, even the big 80's, sometimes for days on end. Sometimes, I have seen guys who are up on the kite, stand there for a day and a half without giving up. NOT ME as I am not that big on fishing the kite but it is exciting to watch a 300# tuna boil or even come out of the water trying to grab a kite bait. Almost as much fun as watching them chase a top water artificial. Lately, the Yumee Flyers(Plastic Imitations of flying fish) have been working great under the kite or helium balloon. Anyway, thats my input. Watching old films can be a great way to partially ease the blues that come with having not fished for a few months..... UGHHH. I inherited my dads collection and have some of my own and still enjoy them to this day. Watching them over and over again while the boat is heading to the fishing grounds never gets old. Jamie Last edited by fishordie : 05-23-2008 at 03:35 PM.

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05-21-2008, 09:02 PM	#22 (permalink)
PurEvl Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 575	It would be something along the lines of when your dropping a jig and it hits it on the drop. Throw it in strike and set the hook then move it to your gimbal. If using circle hooks like Glenn, throw in strike then reel down until it's hooked them move to gimbal.

05-21-2008, 09:03 PM	#23 (permalink)
gman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 977	So here it is ... Yes to your question. I am holding the rod under my right arm, my right hand is cupped around the right side plate of the spool with my right thumb on the spool. My left hand is peeling line out a arms length at a time. When I hook up my left hand stops peeling line and grabs the front grip while I push lever to strike with my right hand

05-22-2008, 11:51 AM	#24 (permalink)
jureal Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 257	Charkbait and Shimano had a big fight over Shimano's MSRP policies. Shimano did not allow Charkbait to advertise selling reels below msrp. What you did in actuallity did not matter, they just did not want them to advertise a lower price than msrp.... period. Charkbait then dropped Shimano products and just quit selling them all together. The SD long range boats usually fish on the anchor. Live bait works best, there is an abundance of it, so that is what they use. Chumming is the norm to attract fish to the boat. Spectra is used extensively on the LR boats and the use of hollow spectra is the norm. Spinning reels are almost never used because of capacity issues and the "coffee grinder" west coast mentality but as stated, this is changing. The use of a harness is not typically used until the fish has settled down into making the deep circles and the fish is straight up and down. It is extremely hard to move very quickly, go over and under other anglers' lines while in the harness. The rod is typically under your arms when you need to make quick moves to follow your fish and it is customary to give the fisherman with the fish priority over those that are just fishing... When the fish moves to the bow and over to the other side, there will be a deck hand there to pass your rod either over or under the anchor line. So much for any IGFA record considerations when this happens. The gaff lenghts used on these boats will usually disqualify potential IGFA records also as they exceed the 8 ft maximum lenght. Essentially, during the fight, the angler goes in and out of his rod pad as dictated by the obstacles and the movement of the fish. As I said earlier, you don't use the harness until the fish has settled into the up and down position or going straight out ( this typically happens when the angler is using too light of a drag or too light line ). Sometimes, the fish is especially tough and the crew will opt to use the skiff. The skiff is equipped with a fighting chair and gives the angler the chance of landing that fish without other anglers getting in the way. Essentially, the fish pulls and skiff and is fighting the resistance of the skiff rather than the angler and will quickly tire. They only have the angler and one deck hand so when it comes time to land the fish, they use a flying gaff. Often, the fish is too big to bring aboard so it is just towed back to the big boat. It is fun to go on these 17+ day trips but the boat ride down and back takes up most of the time out to sea. I went to the Hurricane bank three years ago and ended up with 7 days fishing for a 17 day trip. These days, I prefer to fly down to Puerto Vallarta and fish every day with a bed on dry land to sleep at night after a nice dinner at a restaurant.

05-23-2008, 01:59 PM	#27 (permalink)
MrBill Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,044	Jamie, I don't have a lot of patients. Don't you go nuts riding on the boat for three days or more until you hit the fishing grounds. Does anyone offer a helicopter ride out and ride back to the dock? I think it would be worth the price. Don't the LR boats out of SD only cruise about 7 knots? I've been on a boat in the GOM where two guys lowered themselves to our boat from a copter. It was expensive, but they saved a 150 mile trip in 6-8's.

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