conv jigging setups...

LEXPRO · 03-24-2008, 04:11 PM

I have an Avet JX 2spd with 60lb depthfinder line on a sea magic 400g rod that i have used for jigging jacks and BFT. I have noticed the need for larger jigs on the overnite trips (current) and want to get a rod rated for the 600g jigs. I like to use the lightest equipment i can so its more comforable and doesnt wear me out. Am I heading in the wrong direction if i get a OTI 600g rod and mount my JX2spd on it for heavier jigs, and then get a Accurate B2-870N2spd with 50lb braid to put on my 400g rod for lighter jigs.

BretABaker · 03-24-2008, 04:18 PM

i think that reel is undermatched for the rod. beef it up a bit

papio · 03-24-2008, 04:23 PM

The new OTI 600g is a thad stiffer than the older rod. Both are excellent rods IMO. The rods weigh close to 10 oz but I'm not really sure - it's just a WAG on the weight. Check with TJ for specifics. Are the Sea Magics heavy?

gman · 03-24-2008, 04:26 PM

I would concur with Bret I would beef up the reel and go with the new OTI rod. A JX is small for that application. That 870 should have more balls than the JX IMHO I dont know what your top drag is on the JX but the accurate is pushing 25

BretABaker · 03-24-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gman

I would concur with Bret I would beef up the reel and go with the new OTI rod. A JX is small for that application. That 870 should have more balls than the JX IMHO I dont know what your top drag is on the JX but the accurate is pushing 25

right - price range will matter as well, along with 2 speed, lever drag etc etc.

i have an 870 and like it. havent hooked into anything huge yet though, so its tough to say. it pulls 20lbs of drag very easily though. 665 would be more ideal since you'd get more capacity with 80lb braid, which youd need to really take advatage drag-wise of that rod

Sea Crappie · 03-24-2008, 04:43 PM

I had a JX once. It had to be adopted by another board member because my Accurates tried to eat it

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Seriously, leave the JX on the 400g rod and just buy an Accurate 665NC (1sp or 2sp), an Ocea 4000P, or an Alu Gorilla to go w/ the 600g rod and spool whichever one you choose w/ 80lb line.

That said, the 870N is a great little reel. I fish one with 60lb and it has the drag to handle more, just not the capacity.

LEXPRO · 03-24-2008, 04:57 PM

Papio the rods are similar but the 870 reel is 6oz lighter than the avet and i was going to use it to fish jigs 400gr or less with the seamagic.

Brett and G, are you saying the reel is too small to fish 600gr jigs? Im thinking i should match the rod to the jig so i can get the right action. I guess what i meant is as im starting to get more setups should i be matching the rod to the jig? Or the rod to the reel? Or the rod to the line rating? Im fishing 60lb line on the JX and normally i have the drag set at 17lb. I dont really expect to catch giants with this setup although it would be nice.

BretABaker · 03-24-2008, 05:20 PM

well what i'm saying (cant speak for glenn) is that the reel is not strong enough to utilize the rod properly. you can catch tuna on 17lbs of drag, i agree, but with that rod i would only fish 80-100lb test, as 17lbs probably won't put much of a bend in it. if you only want to fish 17lbs of drag i would just get a lighter rod.

Formula4Fish · 03-24-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LEXPRO

Im thinking i should match the rod to the jig so i can get the right action. I guess what i meant is as im starting to get more setups should i be matching the rod to the jig? Or the rod to the reel? Or the rod to the line rating?

LEXPRO

I put a high-drag reel (HooX) on each rod I have, and set the drag fairly low. Then I put on a gimbal belt, "caught" a drawer handle on a file cabinet (immovable object), and increased drag on the reel until the rod bottomed out. Then I put a spring scale on the reel and tested it to see how many pounds of drag it took to bottom out that rod. Now I know empirically exactly what the max drag is that each rod can handle.

Similarly, I tested each reel for the most strike drag it could handle and still retain free spool, and what max drag is at that setting.

The results were somewhat surprising in one case. I have two Avet MXL6.3's that have sequential serial numbers. One of them gives 8# strike and 14# max. This is close to advertised spec. It will give more drag but it looses free spool. The other one gives 9# strike and 18# max, which blew me away. That's about 4# over advertised max.

Last, I matched the reels to rods that give performance similar to the reel. I.E., the 14# reel is on a 13# Trevala "H" and the 18# reel is on a 18# Trevala "XH".

The Hoo-X is back on a new 80# OTI rod, which can easily deal with the 27# max drag I have it set at.

Uncle Russ · 03-24-2008, 05:24 PM

My 600 gm rod weighs 15 oz and the 300 gm version goes a little over 16. And they feel very light.

03-24-2008, 04:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
LEXPRO Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 190	conv jigging setups... I have an Avet JX 2spd with 60lb depthfinder line on a sea magic 400g rod that i have used for jigging jacks and BFT. I have noticed the need for larger jigs on the overnite trips (current) and want to get a rod rated for the 600g jigs. I like to use the lightest equipment i can so its more comforable and doesnt wear me out. Am I heading in the wrong direction if i get a OTI 600g rod and mount my JX2spd on it for heavier jigs, and then get a Accurate B2-870N2spd with 50lb braid to put on my 400g rod for lighter jigs.

03-24-2008, 04:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
Sea Crappie Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 165	I had a JX once. It had to be adopted by another board member because my Accurates tried to eat it . Seriously, leave the JX on the 400g rod and just buy an Accurate 665NC (1sp or 2sp), an Ocea 4000P, or an Alu Gorilla to go w/ the 600g rod and spool whichever one you choose w/ 80lb line. That said, the 870N is a great little reel. I fish one with 60lb and it has the drag to handle more, just not the capacity. __________________ "Vegetarians, and their Hezbollah-like splinter faction, the vegans, are a persistent irritant to any chef worth a damn. To me, life without veal stock, pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demi-glace, or even stinky cheese is a life not worth living. Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, and an affront to all I stand for..........." Anthony Bourdain

03-24-2008, 05:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,075	My 600 gm rod weighs 15 oz and the 300 gm version goes a little over 16. And they feel very light. __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm."

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03-24-2008, 04:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
BretABaker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pearland, TX Posts: 1,005	i think that reel is undermatched for the rod. beef it up a bit

03-24-2008, 04:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
papio Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Antonio, Tx. V Posts: 213	The new OTI 600g is a thad stiffer than the older rod. Both are excellent rods IMO. The rods weigh close to 10 oz but I'm not really sure - it's just a WAG on the weight. Check with TJ for specifics. Are the Sea Magics heavy?

03-24-2008, 04:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
gman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 996	I would concur with Bret I would beef up the reel and go with the new OTI rod. A JX is small for that application. That 870 should have more balls than the JX IMHO I dont know what your top drag is on the JX but the accurate is pushing 25

03-24-2008, 04:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
LEXPRO Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 190	Papio the rods are similar but the 870 reel is 6oz lighter than the avet and i was going to use it to fish jigs 400gr or less with the seamagic. Brett and G, are you saying the reel is too small to fish 600gr jigs? Im thinking i should match the rod to the jig so i can get the right action. I guess what i meant is as im starting to get more setups should i be matching the rod to the jig? Or the rod to the reel? Or the rod to the line rating? Im fishing 60lb line on the JX and normally i have the drag set at 17lb. I dont really expect to catch giants with this setup although it would be nice.

03-24-2008, 05:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
BretABaker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pearland, TX Posts: 1,005	well what i'm saying (cant speak for glenn) is that the reel is not strong enough to utilize the rod properly. you can catch tuna on 17lbs of drag, i agree, but with that rod i would only fish 80-100lb test, as 17lbs probably won't put much of a bend in it. if you only want to fish 17lbs of drag i would just get a lighter rod.

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