Casting Distance/Popper Rigging - Page 2

SkeeterRonnie · 08-01-2007, 10:49 PM

heres the gloves... Under Armour ColdGear Release Gloves

after reading a little more, I also use my whole body to turn(along with my left hand to pull the handle) when I cast. like throwing a punch, you use your whole bodies force to "PUSH" the lure out-after you load the rod. Martial arts taught me a lot about short,fat, bald men- my sensei could floor me in a matter of nanoseconds.. I would hate to see what woulda happened without him pulling his moves to not hurt me.... Jiu Jitsu. I just wish I had stuck with it= the weapons training was unbelievable!

Uncle Russ · 08-02-2007, 08:52 AM

Well put, Snagged, and I found the debates consisted only of words of one syllable.

Tom: I will definitely take you up on your offer.

Thank, etan. I kind of got the impression that toothy critters are not that common far out, on the surface at least. I guess if you are closer inshore you have more chance of getting into 'cuda and kings.

Russ

stickbom · 08-11-2007, 04:55 AM

Hi Russ, here's some simple tips which has worked pretty well for me.

1. Casting Dropper length- (Rods 7'-8'6") Lure will be at my stripper guide, (Rods 9' and up) Lure will be at the guide before stripper. Longer droppers means you get to load the rod better and achieve better casting distance.
2. You do not need fancy & bulky gloves. I'm using a pair of cycling gloves called "Incline" by Fox. It has outlasted many designer fishing gloves which costs more than twice the price of my Incline.
3. Leader type- Stick to soft leaders like Jinkai and Momoi Diamond if you can't get premium Japanese stuff like Sunline Dai Riki and Varivas. Stiff, hard surface leaders (popular with anglers who troll a lot) and FC have a habit of causing your braided line to get caught on your guides if you're using wind on system.
4. Leader length- 2-3 wraps around the spool and my lure at the desired dropper length for casting is the ideal set up for me. Too long a leader will shorten your casting distance dramatically.
5. Try not to "snap" or "jerk" your rod when casting. Instead, accelerate into the cast using your arms and torso. I prefer to cast in a wide, overhead arc as it reduces wind knots and more importantly, doesn't hit anyone standing beside you!

Here's some photos/vid clips of my buddies honing their casting skills to perfection before their offshore trip. Hope this helps.

Brunei trip- Prep Phase

Uncle Russ · 08-13-2007, 01:17 AM

Thanks, Stickbom. Great pictures and advice. I definitely have not been accellerating, but have been jerking. I also think I am following through too far (instead of stopping the rod at 10 or 11 o'clock).

I worry, especially on a party boat about keeping more than say, 3 feet of line out for the cast due to safety concerns, but I suppose I will have to just be watchful at all times anyway.

I will be popping primarily with a new Souls 9 foot rod that I bought from Randy (Can hardly wait--I'll get it tomorrow.) I chose the more difficult casting HH version of this rod instead of the H version, for its ability to fight larger fish--but at nine feet, I am hopeful it, along with everyone's advice, will improve my distance.

A couple of questions:

(1) What is your approximate maximum casting distance with a popping rod?

(2) Do you start the cast with the rod behind you and parallel to the ground?

(3) At what point do you stop the rod--10 or 11 o'clock?

(4) What do you think of the practice of many of us in the Gulf of Mexico area who only use a very short mono leader (3 feet, instead of a windon?)

Thanks very much. I have read your posts on other boards, including, I believe, on Caranx, where I have so far been unable to set up an account.

Russ

Sportfisherman · 08-13-2007, 02:57 AM

Hi Mike ,

The rod used by the white shirted guy seems to be overloaded by the popper from looking at the bend and the rod used by the yellow shirted guy seem to be correctly balanced . What is your opinion , buddy ?

Jon .

stickbom · 08-13-2007, 07:39 AM

Russ you will love the Souls Casting Tuna

Good investment!

(1) What is your approximate maximum casting distance with a popping rod?

Furthest I have launched a plug is about 120m or 131yds. Best casting plug I've ever used was the Carpenter Salty Dog and France Pen.

(2) Do you start the cast with the rod behind you and parallel to the ground?

Yes. I do not swing the plug back because of safety reasons

(3) At what point do you stop the rod--10 or 11 o'clock?

10 o'clock would be ideal because at 11 the rod might not be fully loaded yet (but this varies from rod to rod)

(4) What do you think of the practice of many of us in the Gulf of Mexico area who only use a very short mono leader (3 feet, instead of a windon?)

Hey, as long as it works... why not?! No rules against 3' long leaders!

Personally, I would use a leader that's slightly longer than the fish I intend to catch just in case it gets tail wrapped. That's the shortest I'd go. If its a full fledge popping trip then having that leader for your finger to grip onto would be great because 1- your fingers hurt less 2- your braid doesn't get damaged/worn off after repeated casts. If popping is not a full time affair, just use a leader thats slightly longer than the fish you intend to catch will do.

stickbom · 08-13-2007, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportfisherman

Hi Mike ,

The rod used by the white shirted guy seems to be overloaded by the popper from looking at the bend and the rod used by the yellow shirted guy seem to be correctly balanced . What is your opinion , buddy ?

Jon .

Jon, that rod may look a little maxed out but I can assure you, it can handle much bigger plugs than that 120g Strike Pro in the photo. That's the beauty of the Ocea GT. It doesn't take superman to load the rod and the carbon slit tape gives it the power to launch your plug to oblivion.

Uncle Russ · 08-14-2007, 01:06 PM

Mike: Thanks for the info, although I am deeply depressed by your casting distance.

I am not going to say how far I can cast with any particular rod at this point, because it would not do justice to any of them. I really need to work on my casting and will definitely hook up with Tom (and whomever else will be willing to help) as soon as I can. I would ask you for a lesson but that that trans-Pacific air fair is brutal!

That dock you show is a great place to practice from. Just like the deck of a boat--only not moving.

Russ

stickbom · 08-15-2007, 01:57 AM

Hi Russ, don't worry about the casting distance. You will get better distance as time goes by. Here's a tip... don't be afraid to swing really hard with your new rod. Most anglers are too worried about damaging their precious new rods and don't really load their rods hard enough. If the rod is going to break during a cast, then let it do so during 'peace time'

If you're using the recommended casting weight it should never fail... no matter how hard to push it during the cast.

In case you're interested to know, the rod that allowed me to hit 120m was the Carpenter Long Reef 86 (PE6)

One last thing, I believe your Casting Tuna has a spigot type ferrule like my Tuna plugging rod so please take care of the male section of the ferrule. Keeping it really clean (yeah don't even bother rubbing wax on it) and free of chips/dents is the best way of ensuring a proper fit everytime.

Sportfisherman · 08-15-2007, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickbom

Jon, that rod may look a little maxed out but I can assure you, it can handle much bigger plugs than that 120g Strike Pro in the photo. That's the beauty of the Ocea GT. It doesn't take superman to load the rod and the carbon slit tape gives it the power to launch your plug to oblivion.

Hi Mike ,

In 2003 we had 3 Thai anglers all armed with OCEA GT 86HH fishing Komodo , I had Carpenter LR86 then and they found the OCEA GT 86HH has no back bone when compared to Carpenter LR86 , the bend extended from the foregrip and the rod was " saturated " under load by big GT circling underneath the boat . In 2004 these guys came back , all of them have WV80XHs and the OCEA GT 86HH became their spare outfit or not brought at all .

OCEA GT 86HH is an easy casting rod for novices but in the hand of an expert like you , I think it's hard to beat LR86 which is now revamped to LR88 while the LR89LDC is now LR90-ICBM . Haven't tried these 2 rods yet but I am sure I will do so soon , once the supply of Carpenter rods start to flow again .

Jon .

08-01-2007, 10:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
SkeeterRonnie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,288	heres the gloves... Under Armour ColdGear Release Gloves after reading a little more, I also use my whole body to turn(along with my left hand to pull the handle) when I cast. like throwing a punch, you use your whole bodies force to "PUSH" the lure out-after you load the rod. Martial arts taught me a lot about short,fat, bald men- my sensei could floor me in a matter of nanoseconds.. I would hate to see what woulda happened without him pulling his moves to not hurt me.... Jiu Jitsu. I just wish I had stuck with it= the weapons training was unbelievable! __________________ www.ronniemanningfishing.weebly.com Last edited by SkeeterRonnie : 08-01-2007 at 10:59 PM.

08-02-2007, 08:52 AM	#12 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,136	Well put, Snagged, and I found the debates consisted only of words of one syllable. Tom: I will definitely take you up on your offer. Thank, etan. I kind of got the impression that toothy critters are not that common far out, on the surface at least. I guess if you are closer inshore you have more chance of getting into 'cuda and kings. Russ __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm."

08-13-2007, 01:17 AM	#14 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,136	Thanks, Stickbom. Great pictures and advice. I definitely have not been accellerating, but have been jerking. I also think I am following through too far (instead of stopping the rod at 10 or 11 o'clock). I worry, especially on a party boat about keeping more than say, 3 feet of line out for the cast due to safety concerns, but I suppose I will have to just be watchful at all times anyway. I will be popping primarily with a new Souls 9 foot rod that I bought from Randy (Can hardly wait--I'll get it tomorrow.) I chose the more difficult casting HH version of this rod instead of the H version, for its ability to fight larger fish--but at nine feet, I am hopeful it, along with everyone's advice, will improve my distance. A couple of questions: (1) What is your approximate maximum casting distance with a popping rod? (2) Do you start the cast with the rod behind you and parallel to the ground? (3) At what point do you stop the rod--10 or 11 o'clock? (4) What do you think of the practice of many of us in the Gulf of Mexico area who only use a very short mono leader (3 feet, instead of a windon?) Thanks very much. I have read your posts on other boards, including, I believe, on Caranx, where I have so far been unable to set up an account. Russ __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm."

08-14-2007, 01:06 PM	#18 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,136	Mike: Thanks for the info, although I am deeply depressed by your casting distance. I am not going to say how far I can cast with any particular rod at this point, because it would not do justice to any of them. I really need to work on my casting and will definitely hook up with Tom (and whomever else will be willing to help) as soon as I can. I would ask you for a lesson but that that trans-Pacific air fair is brutal! That dock you show is a great place to practice from. Just like the deck of a boat--only not moving. Russ __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm."

08-15-2007, 01:57 AM	#19 (permalink)
stickbom Junior member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 19	Hi Russ, don't worry about the casting distance. You will get better distance as time goes by. Here's a tip... don't be afraid to swing really hard with your new rod. Most anglers are too worried about damaging their precious new rods and don't really load their rods hard enough. If the rod is going to break during a cast, then let it do so during 'peace time' If you're using the recommended casting weight it should never fail... no matter how hard to push it during the cast. In case you're interested to know, the rod that allowed me to hit 120m was the Carpenter Long Reef 86 (PE6) One last thing, I believe your Casting Tuna has a spigot type ferrule like my Tuna plugging rod so please take care of the male section of the ferrule. Keeping it really clean (yeah don't even bother rubbing wax on it) and free of chips/dents is the best way of ensuring a proper fit everytime. Last edited by stickbom : 08-15-2007 at 02:00 AM.

08-13-2007, 02:57 AM	#15 (permalink)
Sportfisherman Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Jakarta/Bali - Indonesia Posts: 47	Hi Mike , The rod used by the white shirted guy seems to be overloaded by the popper from looking at the bend and the rod used by the yellow shirted guy seem to be correctly balanced . What is your opinion , buddy ? Jon .

08-13-2007, 07:39 AM	#16 (permalink)
stickbom Junior member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 19	Russ you will love the Souls Casting Tuna Good investment! (1) What is your approximate maximum casting distance with a popping rod? Furthest I have launched a plug is about 120m or 131yds. Best casting plug I've ever used was the Carpenter Salty Dog and France Pen. (2) Do you start the cast with the rod behind you and parallel to the ground? Yes. I do not swing the plug back because of safety reasons (3) At what point do you stop the rod--10 or 11 o'clock? 10 o'clock would be ideal because at 11 the rod might not be fully loaded yet (but this varies from rod to rod) (4) What do you think of the practice of many of us in the Gulf of Mexico area who only use a very short mono leader (3 feet, instead of a windon?) Hey, as long as it works... why not?! No rules against 3' long leaders! Personally, I would use a leader that's slightly longer than the fish I intend to catch just in case it gets tail wrapped. That's the shortest I'd go. If its a full fledge popping trip then having that leader for your finger to grip onto would be great because 1- your fingers hurt less 2- your braid doesn't get damaged/worn off after repeated casts. If popping is not a full time affair, just use a leader thats slightly longer than the fish you intend to catch will do.

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