Jigging Master 200 gram Terminator

[gmack]

Anybody in the states have these (rod or blank)? Anbody in the states have the Powerspell 200 gram?

Gary

[ksong]

The 200g/250g JM Power Spell rods are available in Jan, 2009 and 200g/250g blanks are available next month.
Terminator rods/blanks are discontinued models and I am thinking about bring them to the US in quantity in the furure if there are enough demand.
I have all JM components for custom rods and I accept custom rod offers, but you'd better buy rods as they are well made and balanced and you don't need custom rods unless you like different lengths of rods or grips. (one customer wanted a 500g rods with acid wrapped and I asked my rod builder to do it).
I have same experience with JM as you guys do. They are very fast to respond with honesty. It is so much easier for me to deal with fishermen who has complete understanding and knowledge about their products and what I need. You get the same response from my friend ChrisW in NZ too as he is an excellent fisherman too. I am just fortunate and happy to work with them.

[Pescador]

Ksong writes,
"I have all JM components for custom rods and I accept custom rod offers, but you'd better buy rods as they are well made and balanced and you don't need custom rods unless you like different lengths of rods or grips. (one customer wanted a 500g rods with acid wrapped and I asked my rod builder to do it)".

I for one disagree.
If anyone WANTS a custom rod that is a good enough NEED in my book.

I know he's just opened his own shop but this statement seems like Ksong is just punting for his own business and that of 'his' rod builder.

I have seen a custom JM, in my hands, and its a work of art.
It in no way compares to anything I've seen in 50++ years of fishing and I have a bundle of Hardy's to compare with it, amongst others.

I thought a forum was for the fair and honest exchange of ideas, and not for telling members what they NEED or otherwise.

If contributions from members with commercial interests are fairly moderated we, the non-professional members, are assured that what we read is a genuine contribution and not someones low cost advertising.

[JerseyBrian]

Hi there, I really think you took Kil's post the wrong way. Just like you said, he's stating his honest opinion/idea on how good the actual factory Jigging Master rods are because of their hard work and diligence on trying to make the best products possible. Not because he's trying make shun you away from making a custom rod. Kil has had so many custom rods made for himself, that statement wouldn't even make sense

He's only looking out for others on the forum. And after seeing the Jigging Master Power Spell rods myself, I know they are VERY nice from the factory. The only thing I might change from factory (although they might do this....i don't honestly know) would be to acid wrap the guides for a 100-250g conventional rod.

Also, he stated when he was going to get some rods/blanks because the thread creator asked if anyone had some 200g JM blanks/rods.

[gman]

Pescador

Ok I have to respond to this. If there is one person that shares every once of his knowledge with the group on jiggging a popping it is Kilsong. He is the most in assuming man you will meet and always goes out if his way to help anyone along with being one of the most knowledgable people on these topics. Maybe with somone else yes not with him I couldn't disagree with you more.

No offense meant but you have 37 posts her so obviously you hsvent been a part of the thousands of posts here or on many other sites that he writes.

With regards to custom versus factory rode, to be honest the new factory rods from hots, smith, carpenter, OTI, jiggging master, shimanoetc are so nice it would be very hard for a custom builder to duplicate. High end guides, Kevlar
wraping I mean they are all blonged our at a price point that is great. So for the money a stock JM rod is a great bang for the buck. I wouldn't even mind it if anyone self promoted if they have a great product or service and I don't think be said only buy my rods because everyone should.

I have no horse in this race as I buy all my gear From APS although j did just but some poppers from Kilsong but I do have to tell you that I feel your off base

[rtran]

I agree GMAN, some factory rods are very nice and cannot be duplicated by a rod builder.

When I saw PS factory rod, I knew I had to have that finish and craftsmanship. My custom rod is in the process now from Pony.

[ksong]

Originally Posted by Pescador

Ksong writes,
"I have all JM components for custom rods and I accept custom rod offers, but you'd better buy rods as they are well made and balanced and you don't need custom rods unless you like different lengths of rods or grips. (one customer wanted a 500g rods with acid wrapped and I asked my rod builder to do it)".

I for one disagree.
If anyone WANTS a custom rod that is a good enough NEED in my book.

I know he's just opened his own shop but this statement seems like Ksong is just punting for his own business and that of 'his' rod builder.

I have seen a custom JM, in my hands, and its a work of art.
It in no way compares to anything I've seen in 50++ years of fishing and I have a bundle of Hardy's to compare with it, amongst others.

I thought a forum was for the fair and honest exchange of ideas, and not for telling members what they NEED or otherwise.

If contributions from members with commercial interests are fairly moderated we, the non-professional members, are assured that what we read is a genuine contribution and not someones low cost advertising.

Pescador,
I think you misunderstand something.
It is a compliment of Jigging Master rod because I don't see anything add to it.
Did you see any JM rod and compared with your JM custom rod ?
I brought lots of blanks for custom rods. By insisting to buy JM rods instead of custom rods, I have to worry about selling all the blanks I brought.
I expressed my honest opinion at the expense of my business.
Why do you think it is advertisement ? You never see me to advertise any product unless I like it whether I carry or not.

[Pescador]

Okay Ksong and Gman lets take it from the top.

K says
" Why do you think it is advertisement ? You never see me to advertise any product unless I like it whether I carry or not."
- I need to add nothing to answer his question because K answers it in his second sentence.

Gman -
I am like 1000s of other members and only know other forum members from what they post, you seem to speak from personal experience which may assist you to form your opinion, but other members must go by the written word.
If your offended by a member questioning someone you know personally perhaps we 'remote' members should refrain from any posts, but that would hardly be constructive to a thread or the development of angling would it?

Regarding how many posts I have, or have not made -
Since when has the number of posts ever been a measure of an anglers knowledge or experience?
I only contribute to threads that I feel I have something to add, or, rarely, those that I think are off key.
My 37 posts to 360tuna were offered as advice or assistance to other anglers.
Although I do not use the same name on each, I am registered on 17 forums worldwide, and yes, I've read Kils many posts on other forums, and seen his big fish photographs.
(My various registered names were not for deception, but because by the time I became aware of how forums worked I had already signed up).
The world of 'internet fishing' only began for me a few years ago, after my self enforced exile from anything computer orientated, so I'm still catching-up between 'real' fishing.
Eg; I still owe Tom the photographs for my wind-on contribution, but cannot discover (yet) how to downsize my 10k pics??


Regarding the comparison of a custom rod to a factory rod, from my hands on experience, I stand 100% by what I wrote.

PurEvl - when your custom JM arrives please post your unbiased opinion ....believe me you have a surprise in store.

I have brought 5 factory jig rods in the past 2years (Lamiglas, Shimano, and Diawa Japan) and all but the Diawas had very basic faults. I've just been delivered another Shimano to test and I am dreading inspecting it (before any water time) because I so wish to find one without a fault!
I've also built around 80 custom rods over the years so am well aware of what lies under the shiny surface, perhaps that's why I get rods for testing, or perhaps because I'm just plain honest, or have no commercial interests?
When Tom offered me a prototype OTI I suggested that shipping it 2000miles for testing was a little excessive, and someone closer to home would save on shipping etc.

I found myself on this forum today because in my part of the world its hissing down, but as soon as it stops I'll be off on the ocean.
You see, I run my own boat, hold a full Captains licence and am 100% retired, so only the weather ever stops me from going out jigging.

I go fishing, not for the glory or to sell my catch, but because I love the sport and if I can help other forum anglers along the way, I will, if not, I'll just go fishing.

[gman]

Listen Im not getting into a pissing match over this. I've only met Kilsong twice so this isn't personal. You came out and made some harsh comments about a man who spends his time online helping most of us online. He is a big boy and doesnt need me defending him again.

I never mentioned your fishing skills or experience, and your post count has nothing to do with that as well, never said that at all. I mentioned it because i thought you may not have known Kil and his posts.

Regarding people not posting because of people like me. I carry myself perfectly fine on all of these boards and I lend a hand to everyone period, if you read my posts you would know that.

My post was my opinion, I like the new factory rods but I also can appreciate a custom rod as I have had two JM500 custom rods made from blanks and I am having a Smith KGSMH made as we speak from Anuvat

We got off on the wrong foot, no big deal for me, where do you hail from and why do you think Rich has a surprise in store for him. I can tell you first hand the blanks are amazing and are rated for 60#'s of drag (not that anyone would use it) and the attention to detail with the grips, stops and wraps are amazing. Throw in that it is light and thats a powerful combination. Me personally I dont have a JM anymore I have Hots and the Japanese Shimano Blue Rose which I will test next month

Glenn

[ksong]

I tried to figure out what I did wrong as I am not a guy who offend anyone for any reason. If my mention of preference of JM factory rods to custom rods offended him, I should appologize him as that is not my intention.
But it is my general opinion, not directed to him. As many members remember, I said the same thing several weeks ago as soon as I saw Jigging Master Power Spell rods as they are beautifully made and well balanced and I thought even custom rods shouldn't be better.
I had customers from South Pacific and Europe asking custom JM rods and I told them to contact Jigging Master in Taiwan as I don't think I can make JM custom rods better than JM in Taiwan and there is no benefit to get custom rods from me as shipping charges are almost same bewteen JM and my shop.
JM does the same thing. They refer all e-mails from the US to me.
A few customer in the US asked custom JM rods and my reply was the same that there is no reason to go custom by paying more if they like the length of JM factory rods.
Richie chose custom JM rod as he want 5'6" instead of factory 4'8" or 5' rod.
I believe there are some reasons Pescado chose custom rods and I respect it. It seems he is very experienced fisherman with lots of knowledge.
If he thinks he is better fisherman than I do, I can accept it. If he thinks he has better fishing knowledge, I can accept it. but I can not accept if his opinion is honest and my opinion is based on advertisement.
I simply can not stand if anyone questions my integrity and honesty.

[rtran]

Originally Posted by Pescador

PurEvl - when your custom JM arrives please post your unbiased opinion ....believe me you have a surprise in store.

What surprise? Something I should be worried about? The rod specs are exactly what I am looking for. Although I have not seen the product in person so I can see the detail, people have posted their reviews. The only reason I am getting custom JM PS rod is for length.

I have only 2 rods and have tested them and given my review, will do the same with this one. I am sure Pony will do a great job.