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The Importance of Bending Before Buying - a Popping rod experience


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Yesterday I went to Kilsong's Jigging World to pull on all the GT/tuna popping rods. (I don' think Kil saw me pulling on all of them, he was doing business with another guy) I think I pulled on about 15 different ones. Over the last few trips I pulled on many more...

JM 8'6" popping
JM 7'8" GT
Atlas 76/8
Blue Sniper 80/5
Atlas 76/6
Smith 80P
BlackHole 7'6(?)
BlackHole (longer one)
Tuna Sniper 40/60
Tuna Sniper 60/80
Black Devil 200
Ripple Fisher GT79R
Ripple Fisher GT78
Gipang XH
Gipang XXH
Gipang XXXH (whoa)


I cant substitute pulling on them for the actual fish but I cannot afford to go on trip to test-pull then. I feel like certain rods can displace pressure better then others. Of course this is for my own experience and certain rod is better for me then others. I can understand how some guys we see on youtube can do it with the great rods they have. The high drag for them is just a tool and as long as they learn technique, it's quite manageable.

Some of the blanks I would still be interested in pulling on are the Tokara, Komodo Dragon, Carpenter, and other exclusive brands from Asia.

Overall, I cannot express the importance of choosing a rod by bending it first. You can't tell the action from online spectating or hear say. Just go bend one before you buy.

Thanks Kil for having such a great resource.

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Old 02-20-2010, 02:00 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I did this same thing today at a local surf shop. I'm trying to find a new rod for stripers. I know I want 10 feet, I know it needs to be 2 piece. There are so many to choose from it's ridiculous. I think I've got it narrowed down to a Lamiglas super surf, but I'll probably go to another shop this week and find something else....the search continues.
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Its the only way and im glad im not alone. I have friends who use one rod for everything inshore I mean #12 tip all glass roller tip rod for fluke, seabass and tuna. These guys just cannot relate to this thread but many new guys fishing these days that have all the new gear but still dont know "whats going on". Like my ealier post you need the rite rod,line and proper weight lure and when you jig everything is in unison.
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Old 02-22-2010, 05:44 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I did this same thing today at a local surf shop. I'm trying to find a new rod for stripers. I know I want 10 feet, I know it needs to be 2 piece. There are so many to choose from it's ridiculous. I think I've got it narrowed down to a Lamiglas super surf, but I'll probably go to another shop this week and find something else....the search continues.


Its all about the legend!!!! I've thrown a few of lami ss rods and like the arra better. That being said I sold off all 7 of my ron arras in favor of tiralejos (next to the 10'6 2-6oz legend I think the 10' 1-6 tiralejo is one of the most capable "do it all" l surf rods made). I am no in the midst of moving out 4 of my tiralejos in favor of st croix legends.


And none of this makes a difference since to each is own! I love the offseason. Sell off the old and make room for the new!!!
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Old 02-22-2010, 06:45 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Enoch,
I am doing it everyday whenever I need rest. I broke one rod and one blank one day last week as I started to give more and more pressure. I don't know how many rods can survive at the end of this year.

Every rod has unique characteristics and it all depends on personal taste and preferance.

I go to Tokyo Jigging and Popping show in two weeks and I might break a few popping rods there by testing. The way I push down hard, definitely I have chances to break a few Japanese popping rods at the show.

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Old 02-22-2010, 08:14 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Enoch,

so which one did you like the best? and why ?
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Old 02-25-2010, 02:01 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Enoch,

so which one did you like the best? and why ?

Here is my review according to the last experience. I based the rods to the Ocean Revolution Black Devil 200. I favor the Soft & Forgiving feel. However Tight action is what I really am looking for.

@ Kil, I believe you will not be able to snap 450gram blank without my help. I really felt that blank is made for "taking care of business". There is no being easy on the fish with that one.
I hope you can meet my buddy in Japan during the show. He has some good insight as to what anglers want and use as he is on the water everyday as a captain. Also he has fished in USA East Coast for over 10 years.

I had this posted up on my 215fishspot webblog but forgot to bring it over here. So here it goes with the details:

JM 8'6 Tuna - most favored as the long popping species, however too long for personal comfort
JM 7'8GT - over lifting is stronger than BD200. Shorter series brings this to top ranking but weight is 14oz.
Atlas 76/8 - lifting is same as BD200 but not as forgiving. Strong for weight of 12oz
Blue Sniper 80/5 - not favored as it is lengthy and too light for tuna
Atlas 76/6 - much like the 76/8 but without the backbone
Smith 80P - original popping rod with added bulk, weight. Has endurance, used as a benchmark
BlackHole 7'6(?) - stiff feeling, over all parabolic rod with more lifting power than BD200
BlackHole (longer one) - longer than needed, enough back bone, feels invincible. Feels like suped up version of inshore rod that landed #180 BFT.
Tuna Sniper 40/60 - painfull at max bend, longer then comfortable.
Tuna Sniper60/80 - faster action and favored less then the forgiving BD200. More lifting power then BD200
Black Devil 200 - benchmark for ultimate parabolic and forgiving tuna popping rod. Almost too long.
Ripple Fisher GT79R - perfect stickbait rod at the cusp of perfect forgivness
Ripple Fisher GT78 - power rod with tight action
Gipang 79XH - perfect action for semi-parabolic feel
Gipang 75XXH - favourite in bend and weight. Sophisticated bend and typical hots feel. Top comfort rod.
Gipang GT77XXXH (whoa) - mighty version of XXH with perfect length and more backbone. Popper rod.

(Sidenote) An additional jigging blank I pulled on was the blackhole 250gram which is a beauty I would love to own. The 450g is suitible for giants 73" and over. There is so much beautiful flex in the 250 that I think that will be my amberjack rod. I'd like to get it in 5'2" or 5'5" 2 piece. Just waiting for that blank to appear in Kil's office. Let me tell you about the strengths of these blackhole blanks, it just cant be compared right now. My next jigging rod will be of these blanks. I wish I bought the 250gram blank that day but my goal of a 2-piece stopped me from doing so. I have a custom wrap style for this blank.

I cant substitute pulling on them for the actual fish but I cannot afford to go on trip to test-pull then. I feel like certain rods can displace pressure better then others. Of course this is for my own experience and certain rod is better for me then others. I can understand how some guys we see on youtube can do it with the great rods they have. The high drag for them is just a tool and as long as they learn technique, it's quite manageable.


I really feel JM GT 7'8" has significant design. The winding check before blank butt entry is sophisticated idea. The color design on it is not. Significant plus is the MNSG guides used. They are consistently larger ring versions and I believe that is a plus when it comes to casting. The reason for the split butt aluminum insert is beyond my liking. However perhaps it is there to "balance" the rod when casting. There is significant weight for the handle portion as noticeable. If there was no aluminum gimbel and insert mid-butt I would rank this rod higher. It would also weigh in 2 ounces lighter being matched with the Yamaga Atlas 76/8 as the lightest production rod on the list.
I would say the winner is the Hots Gipang XXH, Second is the JM GT, and distant third at Yamaga Atlas 76/8. I'm still concerned about the actions of Carpenter UHL and Smith Tokara.

International street cred goes to: Gipang, older school gangstaness goes to Tokara, In-crowd Asian popper selective goes to: Carpenter, and finally Under-world respect choice goes to: Yamaga Atlas / Ripple Fisher.

If I had to choose now, without bending the Tokara, the GT rod goes to Gipang, the Cape Cod tuna rod is open to Tokara, Yamaga, Carpenter, in that order.
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I'm still waiting to bend xxh77 tide lez gipang. If someone has that rod please send to me as everyday that goes by I cannot describe how much it displeases me to not know how it feels to connect with heavy duty tide lez.
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Enoch,

Great report. I agree that BlackHole Cape Cod Special 250g blank is very nice. I am also considering it for a two-piece spinning setup.

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Yet another expense of living in paradise. We don't any shops here that cater to jigging or popping for GT's or big pelagic fish here in hawaii. Kind of sad considering that we have some pretty good fishing grounds here in the islands, too bad your odds of catching and landing are only favorable by boat.
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Yet another expense of living in paradise. We don't any shops here that cater to jigging or popping for GT's or big pelagic fish here in hawaii. Kind of sad considering that we have some pretty good fishing grounds here in the islands, too bad your odds of catching and landing are only favorable by boat.

Where are you located at? Hawaii has some great shore fishing and best bonefish next to florida (perhaps better after this winter cold streak).

Don't be disgruntled. There is a famous Japanese fisherman that catches Blue Marlin from shore. Mahi mahi from shore, and the such. It is possible. They are there, and you may be the next one to get them
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