My casting reel

JerseyBrian · 06:15 PM

I bit the bullet.

Couldn't afford a Stella so hope this will last me for this year's BFT season in MA as well as the next 3 years in the caribbean

The drag knob has a unique feature that I've never seen before. It has a silicon type of built-in gasket on the underside of the drag knob; my guess is to help prevent the entrance of saltwater and sand.

Can't decide whether to spool with PE4 or PE5.

Comes with a nice Shimano Black Bag and Spool band

Drifter · 05-07-2008, 09:58 PM

Here's the specs on the current Shimano 8000 reels less the Saragosa. I have the TwinPower 8000 HG and it's worked well for me.

Stella 8000 – Cap 12/325, 16/250, 20/185 - Max Drag 44 – Bearings 15 – Gear 5:0:1-22.8 oz

Sustain 8000 – Cap 12/325, 16/250, 20/185 - Max Drag 24 – Bearings 6 – Gear 5:7:1-20.6 oz

Twin Speed 8000 – Cap 20/250, 25/185 - Max Drag 33 – Bearings 10 – Gear HG 5:7:1, PG 5.0:1

JerseyBrian · 05-07-2008, 10:17 PM

Thanks Drifter! That Twin Power 8000PG looks like a winner too

I might have to re-think things heh. btw, the Twin Power reels weigh 20.3 oz.

Saragosa 8000 - Cap 16/220, 20/160 - Max Drag 27 - Bearings 5 - Gear 5.2:1 - 20.6 oz

Uncle Russ · 05-08-2008, 07:40 AM

Louis: I am assuming those are the specs Shimano puts out on the reels. But with all due respect to the Stella 8,000, 45 pounds of drag certainly seems excessive for a reel with a spool of that diameter. I have not tested mine for maximum drag, but will this weekend if I get a chance. I also have heard that the Stella 20,000 will put out more drag than the Twinspin SR30, and that may be true. I have not tested that reel either, but my Twinspin has gone up to 45 pounds, and I might have honked down on it for another 5 pounds--although I would never fish it above 30 for anything I will ever catch. I can't conceive of the Stella 8,000 matching that, and if it did, I would worry about something else failing in the old boiler room--like gear failure or a handle snapping or something equally horrible.

Russ

BretABaker · 05-08-2008, 07:55 AM

I put the Saragosa at 30lbs to test, and it worked just fine. obviously it wasn't a screaming run from a fish, but the drags were smooth enough.

I don't know whether or not the stella 10k i have can do the 66lbs it claims......but it is silky smooth at 24lbs which is just fine by me

rhale · 05-08-2008, 08:15 AM

I have the Stella 8000 and I dont know about the 44 lbs it claims but I have had it to 32 lbs and it was smooth.

I would like to here the results from Uncle Russ's 44 lb test.....

paul708 · 05-08-2008, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhale

I have the Stella 8000 and I dont know about the 44 lbs it claims but I have had it to 32 lbs and it was smooth.

NICE...what kind of runs did the fish make with 32# of drag..what kinda fish?

txseadog · 05-08-2008, 08:39 AM

Russ,

I look at max drag ratings like a speedometer on a car, just because it has 160 mph on it doesn't mean you should or can drive it that fast...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Russ

Louis: I am assuming those are the specs Shimano puts out on the reels. But with all due respect to the Stella 8,000, 45 pounds of drag certainly seems excessive for a reel with a spool of that diameter. I have not tested mine for maximum drag, but will this weekend if I get a chance. I also have heard that the Stella 20,000 will put out more drag than the Twinspin SR30, and that may be true. I have not tested that reel either, but my Twinspin has gone up to 45 pounds, and I might have honked down on it for another 5 pounds--although I would never fish it above 30 for anything I will ever catch. I can't conceive of the Stella 8,000 matching that, and if it did, I would worry about something else failing in the old boiler room--like gear failure or a handle snapping or something equally horrible.

Russ

Uncle Russ · 05-08-2008, 08:56 AM

txseadog: Agree completely. Also, on a lot of cars the speedometer shows speeds the car couldn't reach if you dropped it out of a 747 at 40,000feet.

But some do. When I was 16, I had saved $800.00 to buy a replacement for my 1948 Chevy. I found a Jag XK-120 with leather upholstery, wooden dash, dual OHC, and porcelain exhaust manifolds--for just that amount. My mom almost let me buy it---until she saw the speedometer read "180". And no, that was not KPH.

By the way, I was testing the drag on my ATD 12 the other evening in my garage, where I do most of my fishing, and the 100 pound JB snapped (must have been a bad place in the line). My overweight old ass fell backwards onto a plastic bin which shattered, sending shards all over God's creation. Big game fishing can be dangerous.

Russ

gman · 05-08-2008, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BretABaker

I put the Saragosa at 30lbs to test, and it worked just fine. obviously it wasn't a screaming run from a fish, but the drags were smooth enough.

I don't know whether or not the stella 10k i have can do the 66lbs it claims......but it is silky smooth at 24lbs which is just fine by me

how did you test your drag rating

gman · 05-08-2008, 09:07 AM

I honestly think the drag rating on all of these reels is over-rated. In order to even think about using anywhere close to those drags

a. you need to have a spinning rod that can take it and I assure you 99% wont take it

b. I good life insurance policy, because odds are your going over or loosing your gear. 50#'s of drag on an 80W is OK but not on a spinner

I truly believe that there are a few fish you would ever need that drag on, odds are you would pull your hook, break your line or break your rod before you pushed 40#'s

The GT fisherman can get away with it because they are fishing 130 braid with a 200 twisted leader

05-07-2008, 10:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
JerseyBrian Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Philadelphia/New Milford Posts: 242	Thanks Drifter! That Twin Power 8000PG looks like a winner too I might have to re-think things heh. btw, the Twin Power reels weigh 20.3 oz. Saragosa 8000 - Cap 16/220, 20/160 - Max Drag 27 - Bearings 5 - Gear 5.2:1 - 20.6 oz Last edited by JerseyBrian : 05-07-2008 at 10:20 PM.

05-08-2008, 07:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 877	Louis: I am assuming those are the specs Shimano puts out on the reels. But with all due respect to the Stella 8,000, 45 pounds of drag certainly seems excessive for a reel with a spool of that diameter. I have not tested mine for maximum drag, but will this weekend if I get a chance. I also have heard that the Stella 20,000 will put out more drag than the Twinspin SR30, and that may be true. I have not tested that reel either, but my Twinspin has gone up to 45 pounds, and I might have honked down on it for another 5 pounds--although I would never fish it above 30 for anything I will ever catch. I can't conceive of the Stella 8,000 matching that, and if it did, I would worry about something else failing in the old boiler room--like gear failure or a handle snapping or something equally horrible. Russ __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm."

05-08-2008, 08:56 AM	#18 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 877	txseadog: Agree completely. Also, on a lot of cars the speedometer shows speeds the car couldn't reach if you dropped it out of a 747 at 40,000feet. But some do. When I was 16, I had saved $800.00 to buy a replacement for my 1948 Chevy. I found a Jag XK-120 with leather upholstery, wooden dash, dual OHC, and porcelain exhaust manifolds--for just that amount. My mom almost let me buy it---until she saw the speedometer read "180". And no, that was not KPH. By the way, I was testing the drag on my ATD 12 the other evening in my garage, where I do most of my fishing, and the 100 pound JB snapped (must have been a bad place in the line). My overweight old ass fell backwards onto a plastic bin which shattered, sending shards all over God's creation. Big game fishing can be dangerous. Russ __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm."

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05-07-2008, 09:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
Drifter Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 68	Here's the specs on the current Shimano 8000 reels less the Saragosa. I have the TwinPower 8000 HG and it's worked well for me. Stella 8000 – Cap 12/325, 16/250, 20/185 - Max Drag 44 – Bearings 15 – Gear 5:0:1-22.8 oz Sustain 8000 – Cap 12/325, 16/250, 20/185 - Max Drag 24 – Bearings 6 – Gear 5:7:1-20.6 oz Twin Speed 8000 – Cap 20/250, 25/185 - Max Drag 33 – Bearings 10 – Gear HG 5:7:1, PG 5.0:1

05-08-2008, 07:55 AM	#14 (permalink)
BretABaker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pearland, TX Posts: 708	I put the Saragosa at 30lbs to test, and it worked just fine. obviously it wasn't a screaming run from a fish, but the drags were smooth enough. I don't know whether or not the stella 10k i have can do the 66lbs it claims......but it is silky smooth at 24lbs which is just fine by me

05-08-2008, 08:15 AM	#15 (permalink)
rhale Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 84	I have the Stella 8000 and I dont know about the 44 lbs it claims but I have had it to 32 lbs and it was smooth. I would like to here the results from Uncle Russ's 44 lb test.....

05-08-2008, 09:07 AM	#20 (permalink)
gman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 950	I honestly think the drag rating on all of these reels is over-rated. In order to even think about using anywhere close to those drags a. you need to have a spinning rod that can take it and I assure you 99% wont take it b. I good life insurance policy, because odds are your going over or loosing your gear. 50#'s of drag on an 80W is OK but not on a spinner I truly believe that there are a few fish you would ever need that drag on, odds are you would pull your hook, break your line or break your rod before you pushed 40#'s The GT fisherman can get away with it because they are fishing 130 braid with a 200 twisted leader

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