rod question

2busy · 08-16-2008, 11:45 PM

what would be any advantages for using a calstar 700xh over the 700 h other than being a few dollars cheaper. avet lx6/3 65lb izor with 50 lb topshot. wanting it for casting topwater and jigging for tuna. is the 700 xh that much stiffer in the tip than the 700 h?

need to get one ordered and am landlocked in okla so pulling on them is not an option. sell me on the best rod for the application above. Thanks

paul708 · 08-17-2008, 06:36 AM

for casting topwater
the H is a good choice
it is also ok for jigging.
the XH i would stepup to if tagreting bigger fish or using more drag
the reel you have will be fine with the H model

Mitchw123456 · 08-17-2008, 07:10 AM

thats not enough reel to mount on the XH. The only way I would get the XH is if you were going to fish 25#+ of drag.

2busy · 08-17-2008, 11:47 AM

I'm hoping to get hooked up to some nice YF in the 100# size. I know bigger fish have been landed with smaller setups. Just wanting plenty of backbone to help turn fish, dont want a limp noodle rod. Need this rod to last for awhile.
I just dont want a rod so stiff that it is too hard to cast with.
I know i have seen this reel pull more drag than it is advertized for.

Mitchw123456 · 08-17-2008, 11:58 AM

They will pull more than they are advertised at but you will lose freespool and the handle will start to bind; I have a couple of them and have played with it at higher settings. I still think either way the H will be more than enough rod. The XH has a slightly softer tip for the first 18" or so but past that it is almost like pulling on a broom stick. The H will more than suffice I believe.

Capt Richie · 08-17-2008, 06:00 PM

TheXH is a beast 40-100 blank & the H is 30-80...If you target fish are going to be over the 100lb class the Xh.. If not the H... Me I always fish a light as possible because first off it more fun & how many fish are going to be over 100lbs??
Mitch is right about the reel..to much rod & the rod calstar all have just so much bend than shut off..
Now if you plan to jig tuna 150lbs & under The Gusa Wahoo Jr composite jigging rod...Much better than the calstars...

Uncle Russ · 08-17-2008, 08:01 PM

2busy: I have both the Calstar 700XH and H spinners, as well as the 700H Conventional. If casting distance, especially with lighter poppers is an issue, the H model will do noticably better with lighter poppers. I don't notice much difference when pulling on the rods until you get above 25-27 pounds. The 700XH will definitely not break at 35 pounds and I would figure the H at about 5 below that. And even then, as stated before, there is probably a huge margin for error. I don't cast particularly well with heavy spinners compared to lots of folks, but have been practicing and getting better and I notice several feet difference between the two spinners with lures in the 4-5 ounce range. The 700H really starts getting better when you drop down to such lures as the lighter Shibuki and the Tuna Hunter Junior. As for casting the conventional, as the folks from Jersy say: fegiddaboutit.

I can't cast the darned things at all. But I assume the rods would cast about the same relative to the two spinners.

But as far as I'm concerned, for sheer casting distance combined with fish fighting, I would choose the OTI 7 1/2 foot in 80 pound if I were starting all over and they were available. I do much better in distance with the 50 pound rod--which I do own--and almost as well as with two 9 foot and 8 foot Japanese rods which I do best with.

Personally, as the owner of three non-roller Calstars, I would go with the OTI rods.

Russ

paul708 · 08-17-2008, 09:12 PM

russ.
the new 7'6" OTI conventional are now available that is a good choice
thanks for bring it up
plus the blanks if a custom is preferred

2busy · 08-17-2008, 09:34 PM

I dont own any spinning reels so it will have to be conventional. i've been using conventionals for as long as i can remember for everything. i'd rather use a spincast than a spinng reel.

7' is about as long a rod as i want to haul around .all my fishing will be GOM. on party boat types

paul708 · 08-17-2008, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2busy

I dont own any spinning reels so it will have to be conventional. i've been using conventionals for as long as i can remember for everything. i'd rather use a spincast than a spinng reel.

7' is about as long a rod as i want to haul around .all my fishing will be GOM. on party boat types

the OTI are 2 pcs conventional..
great for travel and hauling

08-16-2008, 11:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
2busy Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E Okla Posts: 75	rod question what would be any advantages for using a calstar 700xh over the 700 h other than being a few dollars cheaper. avet lx6/3 65lb izor with 50 lb topshot. wanting it for casting topwater and jigging for tuna. is the 700 xh that much stiffer in the tip than the 700 h? need to get one ordered and am landlocked in okla so pulling on them is not an option. sell me on the best rod for the application above. Thanks

08-17-2008, 06:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
paul708 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Pa Posts: 412	for casting topwater the H is a good choice it is also ok for jigging. the XH i would stepup to if tagreting bigger fish or using more drag the reel you have will be fine with the H model __________________ northeast coast OTI sales specialize in custom OTI Jigging and popping rods and fine OTI jigging products Jigging Master custom rods jprrods.com

08-17-2008, 08:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,143	2busy: I have both the Calstar 700XH and H spinners, as well as the 700H Conventional. If casting distance, especially with lighter poppers is an issue, the H model will do noticably better with lighter poppers. I don't notice much difference when pulling on the rods until you get above 25-27 pounds. The 700XH will definitely not break at 35 pounds and I would figure the H at about 5 below that. And even then, as stated before, there is probably a huge margin for error. I don't cast particularly well with heavy spinners compared to lots of folks, but have been practicing and getting better and I notice several feet difference between the two spinners with lures in the 4-5 ounce range. The 700H really starts getting better when you drop down to such lures as the lighter Shibuki and the Tuna Hunter Junior. As for casting the conventional, as the folks from Jersy say: fegiddaboutit. I can't cast the darned things at all. But I assume the rods would cast about the same relative to the two spinners. But as far as I'm concerned, for sheer casting distance combined with fish fighting, I would choose the OTI 7 1/2 foot in 80 pound if I were starting all over and they were available. I do much better in distance with the 50 pound rod--which I do own--and almost as well as with two 9 foot and 8 foot Japanese rods which I do best with. Personally, as the owner of three non-roller Calstars, I would go with the OTI rods. Russ __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm."

08-17-2008, 09:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
paul708 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Pa Posts: 412	russ. the new 7'6" OTI conventional are now available that is a good choice thanks for bring it up plus the blanks if a custom is preferred __________________ northeast coast OTI sales specialize in custom OTI Jigging and popping rods and fine OTI jigging products Jigging Master custom rods jprrods.com

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08-17-2008, 07:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
Mitchw123456 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 250	thats not enough reel to mount on the XH. The only way I would get the XH is if you were going to fish 25#+ of drag.

08-17-2008, 11:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
2busy Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E Okla Posts: 75	I'm hoping to get hooked up to some nice YF in the 100# size. I know bigger fish have been landed with smaller setups. Just wanting plenty of backbone to help turn fish, dont want a limp noodle rod. Need this rod to last for awhile. I just dont want a rod so stiff that it is too hard to cast with. I know i have seen this reel pull more drag than it is advertized for.

08-17-2008, 11:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mitchw123456 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 250	They will pull more than they are advertised at but you will lose freespool and the handle will start to bind; I have a couple of them and have played with it at higher settings. I still think either way the H will be more than enough rod. The XH has a slightly softer tip for the first 18" or so but past that it is almost like pulling on a broom stick. The H will more than suffice I believe.

08-17-2008, 06:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
Capt Richie Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 90	TheXH is a beast 40-100 blank & the H is 30-80...If you target fish are going to be over the 100lb class the Xh.. If not the H... Me I always fish a light as possible because first off it more fun & how many fish are going to be over 100lbs?? Mitch is right about the reel..to much rod & the rod calstar all have just so much bend than shut off.. Now if you plan to jig tuna 150lbs & under The Gusa Wahoo Jr composite jigging rod...Much better than the calstars...

08-17-2008, 09:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
2busy Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E Okla Posts: 75	I dont own any spinning reels so it will have to be conventional. i've been using conventionals for as long as i can remember for everything. i'd rather use a spincast than a spinng reel. 7' is about as long a rod as i want to haul around .all my fishing will be GOM. on party boat types

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