If Could Have Only One? - Page 2

gman · 12-12-2007, 10:17 AM

i couldnt choose just one becuase the fishing is so different. I cant cast with a conventional and I dont like chunking with a spinner

Uncle Russ · 12-12-2007, 04:42 PM

Somehow you just knew that Gunsmoke would redefine the problem!

Don't get me wrong, Gunsmoke--I'm not ruling big game trolling out because I wouldn't do it--but only because 2-dollar hos can't afford it. I agree that bottom fishing with a spinner would be brutal for AJ s or grouper, given my limited experience in that regard--specifically, hauling 5 pound snapper out of 60 feet with a Penn 8500 and an ugly stick. That's one reason I settled on the ATD12--also, gman is correct--I love the reel. It's interesting that you mention you have done some chunking with a spinner. I had an e-conversation with Rick about that and will definitely try it sometime. Someone mentioned that you have to be really quick on the draw to lower the rod and flip the bail when the run starts so you don't lose a finger.

I am a little surprised at the number of mentions (xstackle and others) of the 665 2-speed. Part of my reaction is due to the problem that I and a couple of others have had with them. I am hoping the new one won't go that route. It is so light and sweet that I too would choose it if it were not for that fear.

And Gunsmoke, I'm not sure why you would limit your rifle choice. I saw a few years ago that some British firm (Holland and Holland, I think) made a .700 Nitro Express for some guy and then put it into regular production. My memory is that it pops out a 1,000 grain bullet at something like 2200 feet per second. Admittedly, it ain't gonna have the downrange energy of a .50 BMG, but a 3/4 inch hole would be a good start. I don't think you can own a 20 MM even with a Class 3 permit, and the 4 gauge is no longer legal for teal.

P.S. I'm still hurtin' over T+1.

Russ

Ragman · 12-12-2007, 08:00 PM

I'm partial to the company OTI

, but I do think it's the best rod, especially for this scenario because of its strength to weight balance.

So I would bring a 5 1/2 foot 80# spinner, with the Stella SW8000, one spool with 60# DepthFinder PE and the other spool with 80# DF pe line.
(That's not cheating because it's only one rig! LOL)

It also casts really well with the heavier live jigs and top water lures.

I'd bring 60, 80, & 100 lb mono for leaders.

I'd push it on the deeper bottom fishing like Tequila, but saw a nice grouper caught on a jig at 600 feet and I could get close enough to that depth with the smaller 8000 and the 60# spool.

It certainly has the drag to handle most of what I'd expect to hook up with; but would I be able to hold the spinning rod line up off the rail? Even if it killed me.

BTW Russ- I watched Rick chunk with his TS30, and it was almost too easy for him.

gman · 12-12-2007, 10:03 PM

maybe in need to open my horizons and try chunking with my stellas now

Uncle Russ · 12-12-2007, 10:19 PM

gman: I definitely intend to try it sometime. My problem right now is that I am so new to large offshore fish, that I am still a fish hog. I can't be like Gunsmoke says yet, and just enjoy the pull--I am that way all day long with bay fish and even the giant bull reds I love to catch and release at the jetties. But losing a yellowfin would still be a tragedy of the same proportions as having say, President Edwards in office the next time the U.S. is attacked on our own soil--(Ok maybe not quite that bad.)

Tom: Having handled the heavy and light jigging rods, the 7-foot spinner, and the two prototype popping rods, I agree one-hundred percent in their quality. My thinking in choosing the 700H was that the first two are two short for casting, the 7-footer might be a little light for one-rod fits all, (although I suspect gimmedeal, Fred might disagree with that,) and the 7 1/2 footers might be a little too flexible for horsing up a big A.J. I could be dead wrong though. In any case, I chose the 700H because I have one and if I were to buy one conventional rod to go with the ATD12, it would be the 700XH (I have one in the spinning variety and it truly is brutal.)

But I have to agree with those who say they wouldn't like to have only one outfit. I am not as hard core as Gunsmoke to say I would quit fishing, but I have six rigs now, and more rods than that, and I find that I am trying to convince myself to buy another one.

But I won't, Pilgrim...I won't... The hell I won't."

Russ

BretABaker · 12-12-2007, 11:29 PM

i have used a spinning reel for snapper/AJs. I used a penn 9500 with 50lb braid on it. I did it because the rod was next to me and i was too lazy to go upstairs and get a different one!!! It worked well to be honest, but i'd prefer a conventional setup.

I ended up getting a bunch of snapper, beeliners, and 1 small AJ.

12-12-2007, 04:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,134	Somehow you just knew that Gunsmoke would redefine the problem! Don't get me wrong, Gunsmoke--I'm not ruling big game trolling out because I wouldn't do it--but only because 2-dollar hos can't afford it. I agree that bottom fishing with a spinner would be brutal for AJ s or grouper, given my limited experience in that regard--specifically, hauling 5 pound snapper out of 60 feet with a Penn 8500 and an ugly stick. That's one reason I settled on the ATD12--also, gman is correct--I love the reel. It's interesting that you mention you have done some chunking with a spinner. I had an e-conversation with Rick about that and will definitely try it sometime. Someone mentioned that you have to be really quick on the draw to lower the rod and flip the bail when the run starts so you don't lose a finger. I am a little surprised at the number of mentions (xstackle and others) of the 665 2-speed. Part of my reaction is due to the problem that I and a couple of others have had with them. I am hoping the new one won't go that route. It is so light and sweet that I too would choose it if it were not for that fear. And Gunsmoke, I'm not sure why you would limit your rifle choice. I saw a few years ago that some British firm (Holland and Holland, I think) made a .700 Nitro Express for some guy and then put it into regular production. My memory is that it pops out a 1,000 grain bullet at something like 2200 feet per second. Admittedly, it ain't gonna have the downrange energy of a .50 BMG, but a 3/4 inch hole would be a good start. I don't think you can own a 20 MM even with a Class 3 permit, and the 4 gauge is no longer legal for teal. P.S. I'm still hurtin' over T+1. Russ __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm."

12-12-2007, 08:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ragman Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 924	I'm partial to the company OTI , but I do think it's the best rod, especially for this scenario because of its strength to weight balance. So I would bring a 5 1/2 foot 80# spinner, with the Stella SW8000, one spool with 60# DepthFinder PE and the other spool with 80# DF pe line. (That's not cheating because it's only one rig! LOL) It also casts really well with the heavier live jigs and top water lures. I'd bring 60, 80, & 100 lb mono for leaders. I'd push it on the deeper bottom fishing like Tequila, but saw a nice grouper caught on a jig at 600 feet and I could get close enough to that depth with the smaller 8000 and the 60# spool. It certainly has the drag to handle most of what I'd expect to hook up with; but would I be able to hold the spinning rod line up off the rail? Even if it killed me. BTW Russ- I watched Rick chunk with his TS30, and it was almost too easy for him. __________________ Tom www.oceantackle.net *Go Hard or Go Home!*

12-12-2007, 10:19 PM	#15 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,134	gman: I definitely intend to try it sometime. My problem right now is that I am so new to large offshore fish, that I am still a fish hog. I can't be like Gunsmoke says yet, and just enjoy the pull--I am that way all day long with bay fish and even the giant bull reds I love to catch and release at the jetties. But losing a yellowfin would still be a tragedy of the same proportions as having say, President Edwards in office the next time the U.S. is attacked on our own soil--(Ok maybe not quite that bad.) Tom: Having handled the heavy and light jigging rods, the 7-foot spinner, and the two prototype popping rods, I agree one-hundred percent in their quality. My thinking in choosing the 700H was that the first two are two short for casting, the 7-footer might be a little light for one-rod fits all, (although I suspect gimmedeal, Fred might disagree with that,) and the 7 1/2 footers might be a little too flexible for horsing up a big A.J. I could be dead wrong though. In any case, I chose the 700H because I have one and if I were to buy one conventional rod to go with the ATD12, it would be the 700XH (I have one in the spinning variety and it truly is brutal.) But I have to agree with those who say they wouldn't like to have only one outfit. I am not as hard core as Gunsmoke to say I would quit fishing, but I have six rigs now, and more rods than that, and I find that I am trying to convince myself to buy another one. But I won't, Pilgrim...I won't... The hell I won't." Russ __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm." Last edited by Uncle Russ : 12-12-2007 at 10:22 PM.

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12-12-2007, 10:17 AM	#11 (permalink)
gman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,121	i couldnt choose just one becuase the fishing is so different. I cant cast with a conventional and I dont like chunking with a spinner

12-12-2007, 10:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
gman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,121	maybe in need to open my horizons and try chunking with my stellas now

12-12-2007, 11:29 PM	#16 (permalink)
BretABaker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pearland, TX Posts: 1,267	i have used a spinning reel for snapper/AJs. I used a penn 9500 with 50lb braid on it. I did it because the rod was next to me and i was too lazy to go upstairs and get a different one!!! It worked well to be honest, but i'd prefer a conventional setup. I ended up getting a bunch of snapper, beeliners, and 1 small AJ.

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