Bimini twist

jojo · 10-15-2006, 12:36 PM

OK guys you showed me this knot and I've been working on it for a hour or so
I'm using 80#braid and for some reason the knot seems to be slipping ? I don't remember the other knot you guys shown me to use with my leader ?

PS yes I did forget to wear gloves with the BRAID OUCH OUCH OUCH OUCH

TO HELL WITH GOT MILK GOT GLOVES=====YES Sir now I do

Bret · 10-15-2006, 01:24 PM

Joe, make sure you do a half-hitch on each leg of the loop followed by the 6or 7 wrap cinch.. Nice meeting you and Maria..

Bret

jojo · 10-15-2006, 01:29 PM

IT was nice to have meet all of you guys .I'll try the half-hitch and the cinch

Uncle Russ · 10-16-2006, 12:40 PM

Folks,

Although I have not used the Bimini extensively with Spectra lines, I used it a lot with mono flyline leaders, and I have done a lot of tying and tinkering with it and a lot of research. What I learned (just theory mind you, as far as I am concerned) is that a 20 turn Bimini will typically slip in Spectra--regardless of how you finish it.

So, I found on somebody's website several months ago a reference to the effect that you have to tie it with 40 turns when using it with Superlines. I did so successfully with 50 and 65 pound Spectra, and had a little trouble getting the line to cover the original twists without petering out toward the end and leaving some twists uncovered with the secondary wrap (if that makes any sense.) It almost seemed like I was not drawing the original 40 twists down far enough before turning the line to a 90 degree angle to begin the secondary wrap. However, no matter how hard I pulled, it wouldn't compress down. When finished and glued, it seemed to work fine, but that was on big redfish--not exactly tuna--and I didn't test it beyond that.

Now the other day, I tried a 40, and then a 30 turn with 100 pound Powerpro, and the results were disastrous--knots I would never trust.

What's a mother to do?

Russ

Snagged · 10-17-2006, 09:28 AM

Avoid power pro, I've been seeing more failures in this line than I like.
Switch to JB Spectra and use loop to loop connections.

MO1 · 10-17-2006, 11:55 AM

Is anyone using a twelve turn bimini (seen in Sport Fishing Magazine, aug 06 )
?
MO

mcgolfer · 10-17-2006, 12:10 PM

not me. it was only tested in 30 and 50lb spectre. i use 65lb and greater and i haven't had any issues with the 40 twist bimini in the higher test spectre...rick

Bret · 10-17-2006, 12:12 PM

Mo, we did a test at Seadogs house on july 4th weekend. We had several failures on the 12 turn bimini. So I am back to the 30-40twist for spectra.
Now that yucatan knot for connecting the mono/flouro seems just fine.

Uncle Russ · 10-17-2006, 04:12 PM

Rick and Bret:

Do you gentlemen have any problem with the heavier stuff (65 and above) getting the secondary wraps to draw down evenly over the 30-40 turns? I am having real trouble making an even, pretty knot. It seems, as I said above, like I need to get the first series of turns to draw down tighter, but if I try, it just starts to roll over itself. The first half covers great, but then begins to show gaps, exposing the turns below.

I'm not certain whether this weakens the knot or not. Opinions?

As to the 12 turn, have never used it, but in theory, with spectra especially, isn't the whole reason for going above 20 turns the fact that the material is so slippery?

Also, how big a loop do you guys use for the various applications: jigging, casting, and chunking?

Russ

Bret · 10-17-2006, 05:11 PM

Most of my biminis are not pretty... I can get the mono to come down and wrap over itself and look pretty. but beauty doesnt seem to make a difference in knot strength. I have to manually pull the knot down a good portion of the time. Sometimes you just cant get enough spit on it to make it do right. When we tried the 12 turn it always broke just above the knot.. For trolling I like to use a larger loop, but for connecting my topshot I prefer a small one.. Large enough to put a couple of hands through..

10-15-2006, 12:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
jojo Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Garland texas Posts: 56	Bimini twist OK guys you showed me this knot and I've been working on it for a hour or so I'm using 80#braid and for some reason the knot seems to be slipping ? I don't remember the other knot you guys shown me to use with my leader ? PS yes I did forget to wear gloves with the BRAID OUCH OUCH OUCH OUCH TO HELL WITH GOT MILK GOT GLOVES=====YES Sir now I do

10-17-2006, 09:28 AM	#5 (permalink)
Snagged Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,133	Avoid power pro, I've been seeing more failures in this line than I like. Switch to JB Spectra and use loop to loop connections. __________________ Jerry Uh oh, Snagged again!

10-17-2006, 12:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
mcgolfer Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: antlers oklahoma Posts: 452	not me. it was only tested in 30 and 50lb spectre. i use 65lb and greater and i haven't had any issues with the 40 twist bimini in the higher test spectre...rick __________________ there is no limit on tackle

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10-15-2006, 01:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bret Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: DFW Posts: 1,223	Joe, make sure you do a half-hitch on each leg of the loop followed by the 6or 7 wrap cinch.. Nice meeting you and Maria.. Bret

10-15-2006, 01:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
jojo Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Garland texas Posts: 56	IT was nice to have meet all of you guys .I'll try the half-hitch and the cinch

10-16-2006, 12:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,146	Folks, Although I have not used the Bimini extensively with Spectra lines, I used it a lot with mono flyline leaders, and I have done a lot of tying and tinkering with it and a lot of research. What I learned (just theory mind you, as far as I am concerned) is that a 20 turn Bimini will typically slip in Spectra--regardless of how you finish it. So, I found on somebody's website several months ago a reference to the effect that you have to tie it with 40 turns when using it with Superlines. I did so successfully with 50 and 65 pound Spectra, and had a little trouble getting the line to cover the original twists without petering out toward the end and leaving some twists uncovered with the secondary wrap (if that makes any sense.) It almost seemed like I was not drawing the original 40 twists down far enough before turning the line to a 90 degree angle to begin the secondary wrap. However, no matter how hard I pulled, it wouldn't compress down. When finished and glued, it seemed to work fine, but that was on big redfish--not exactly tuna--and I didn't test it beyond that. Now the other day, I tried a 40, and then a 30 turn with 100 pound Powerpro, and the results were disastrous--knots I would never trust. What's a mother to do? Russ

10-17-2006, 11:55 AM	#6 (permalink)
MO1 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: bullard tx Posts: 31	Is anyone using a twelve turn bimini (seen in Sport Fishing Magazine, aug 06 ) ? MO

10-17-2006, 12:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bret Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: DFW Posts: 1,223	Mo, we did a test at Seadogs house on july 4th weekend. We had several failures on the 12 turn bimini. So I am back to the 30-40twist for spectra. Now that yucatan knot for connecting the mono/flouro seems just fine.

10-17-2006, 04:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,146	Rick and Bret: Do you gentlemen have any problem with the heavier stuff (65 and above) getting the secondary wraps to draw down evenly over the 30-40 turns? I am having real trouble making an even, pretty knot. It seems, as I said above, like I need to get the first series of turns to draw down tighter, but if I try, it just starts to roll over itself. The first half covers great, but then begins to show gaps, exposing the turns below. I'm not certain whether this weakens the knot or not. Opinions? As to the 12 turn, have never used it, but in theory, with spectra especially, isn't the whole reason for going above 20 turns the fact that the material is so slippery? Also, how big a loop do you guys use for the various applications: jigging, casting, and chunking? Russ

10-17-2006, 05:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Bret Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: DFW Posts: 1,223	Most of my biminis are not pretty... I can get the mono to come down and wrap over itself and look pretty. but beauty doesnt seem to make a difference in knot strength. I have to manually pull the knot down a good portion of the time. Sometimes you just cant get enough spit on it to make it do right. When we tried the 12 turn it always broke just above the knot.. For trolling I like to use a larger loop, but for connecting my topshot I prefer a small one.. Large enough to put a couple of hands through..

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