Bimini Knot Problems - Page 3

Formula4Fish · 07-13-2008, 06:18 PM

Bret,

"the Page Ranking knot is actually very easy"

"it's been a snap ever since"

After looking at Knots for Dummies
I've almost gotta conclude you've never seen a 7-turn surgeons knot tied.

ANYONE can tied one, with their eyes shut, on a pitching boat, in the rain, standing on one leg, etc. And you don't need a Page Ranking bobbin or a lighter

Snagged educated me on them, and since then, I've experimented with tying a lot of different knots and pulling on them until something gives. I put a surgeons knot on one end of the braid and the experimental knot on the other. It's never the surgeons knot that fails!

feeder · 07-13-2008, 06:24 PM

Thanks for the help guys. I appreciate it. I'll have to try out the surgeons knot and test it out.

The Page Ranking knot looks like it would be interesting to try out too.

Bret - Do you use the bobbin to tie or do it free hand?

BretABaker · 07-13-2008, 07:10 PM

mid knot doesnt require a bobbin....the Page Ranking knot is much easier with a bobbin. you can tie a surgeon's knot at the end of the PR knot to close it off, I prefer a uni.

the knot is a friction knot and not really a connection knot. it uses a chinese cuff principle.

Eastern Tackle · 07-13-2008, 07:42 PM

For solid braid a regular square knot is one heck of a knot for making a loop end, that doesn't slip. I know it sounds too easy, but the next time your practicing, give it a shot.

When I do biminis in solid spectra, I will come half way down the loop and put a square knot in it. In real life applications, this set up off a down rigger with 200lb spectra will pull a #32 planer without failure.

DeepBlueGulf · 07-13-2008, 07:57 PM

Jerry,

I figured that was the knot you used on the big AJ's (Surgeons). Highly recommended after that test!

DBG

Uncle Russ · 07-14-2008, 12:44 PM

I tie all loops in hollow with 7-turn and use it like I would a Bimini. I tie all loops in solid with a Bimini and have personally had no trouble with slippage--40 turn for 80 and above, and 50-60 turn for 50 and 65. But then, I have never caught a large fish on my popping or jigging equipment where I use the Bimini--so can't verify the knot under fire--just pulling really hard in tests.

Russ

Snagged · 07-14-2008, 04:07 PM

Russ,
Your better off splicing a loop in hollow.

jureal · 07-14-2008, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Russ

I tie all loops in hollow with 7-turn and use it like I would a Bimini. I tie all loops in solid with a Bimini and have personally had no trouble with slippage--40 turn for 80 and above, and 50-60 turn for 50 and 65. But then, I have never caught a large fish on my popping or jigging equipment where I use the Bimini--so can't verify the knot under fire--just pulling really hard in tests.

Russ

Russ, you gotta learn how to splice that hollow loop. No knots in my hollow!

d-a · 07-14-2008, 04:46 PM

Uncle Russ

You gotta get out of your cocoon and try a few different things. The loop to loop is easy to do in the hollow.

d-a

Atlantaking · 07-14-2008, 04:55 PM

I tie a 40 wrap bimini in the braid, and connect it to the mono with an alberto knot; I haven't noticed any slippage. I have broken 80lb mono tied to 65lb braid before: the knots were fine, the mono gave out. When I tie the bimini, after making the twists, I push the twists together as tightly as possible before wrapping over the twists. This makes the two legs underneath the wraps to be as tightly twisted together as possible, and also increases the number of twists. This is how I tie my Bimini Twists

I also like the 7-turn surgeons for fast rerigging, but mostly when I'm rigging in preparation for a trip, it's the 40-wrap BT.

07-13-2008, 06:18 PM	#21 (permalink)
Formula4Fish Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ingleside-on-the-Bay, TX Posts: 109	Bret, "the Page Ranking knot is actually very easy" "it's been a snap ever since" After looking at Knots for Dummies I've almost gotta conclude you've never seen a 7-turn surgeons knot tied. ANYONE can tied one, with their eyes shut, on a pitching boat, in the rain, standing on one leg, etc. And you don't need a Page Ranking bobbin or a lighter Snagged educated me on them, and since then, I've experimented with tying a lot of different knots and pulling on them until something gives. I put a surgeons knot on one end of the braid and the experimental knot on the other. It's never the surgeons knot that fails! __________________ Dick http://home.roadrunner.com/~dfischer/OhKay1.htm

07-14-2008, 12:44 PM	#26 (permalink)
Uncle Russ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,134	I tie all loops in hollow with 7-turn and use it like I would a Bimini. I tie all loops in solid with a Bimini and have personally had no trouble with slippage--40 turn for 80 and above, and 50-60 turn for 50 and 65. But then, I have never caught a large fish on my popping or jigging equipment where I use the Bimini--so can't verify the knot under fire--just pulling really hard in tests. Russ __________________ "Tschirhart: Helluva deal. You bait the hooks--I catch the fish!--Grimm."

07-14-2008, 04:07 PM	#27 (permalink)
Snagged Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,114	Russ, Your better off splicing a loop in hollow. __________________ Jerry Uh oh, Snagged again!

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07-13-2008, 06:24 PM	#22 (permalink)
feeder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 144	Thanks for the help guys. I appreciate it. I'll have to try out the surgeons knot and test it out. The Page Ranking knot looks like it would be interesting to try out too. Bret - Do you use the bobbin to tie or do it free hand?

07-13-2008, 07:10 PM	#23 (permalink)
BretABaker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pearland, TX Posts: 1,268	mid knot doesnt require a bobbin....the Page Ranking knot is much easier with a bobbin. you can tie a surgeon's knot at the end of the PR knot to close it off, I prefer a uni. the knot is a friction knot and not really a connection knot. it uses a chinese cuff principle.

07-13-2008, 07:42 PM	#24 (permalink)
Eastern Tackle Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 130	For solid braid a regular square knot is one heck of a knot for making a loop end, that doesn't slip. I know it sounds too easy, but the next time your practicing, give it a shot. When I do biminis in solid spectra, I will come half way down the loop and put a square knot in it. In real life applications, this set up off a down rigger with 200lb spectra will pull a #32 planer without failure.

07-13-2008, 07:57 PM	#25 (permalink)
DeepBlueGulf Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 622	Jerry, I figured that was the knot you used on the big AJ's (Surgeons). Highly recommended after that test! DBG

07-14-2008, 04:46 PM	#29 (permalink)
d-a Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 367	Uncle Russ You gotta get out of your cocoon and try a few different things. The loop to loop is easy to do in the hollow. d-a

07-14-2008, 04:55 PM	#30 (permalink)
Atlantaking Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 47	I tie a 40 wrap bimini in the braid, and connect it to the mono with an alberto knot; I haven't noticed any slippage. I have broken 80lb mono tied to 65lb braid before: the knots were fine, the mono gave out. When I tie the bimini, after making the twists, I push the twists together as tightly as possible before wrapping over the twists. This makes the two legs underneath the wraps to be as tightly twisted together as possible, and also increases the number of twists. This is how I tie my Bimini Twists I also like the 7-turn surgeons for fast rerigging, but mostly when I'm rigging in preparation for a trip, it's the 40-wrap BT.

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