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Kevin is correct, but they are both proto's right now.
About the spinning reel, TJ has seen a new Stella model that is set for now in Asia only.
It is supposed to be a 10000 and 20000 size, but because of its construction & materials, will only weigh as much as the current 8000.
No pics were allowed and the specs were pretty well protected, but as soon as we can get more info, we'll be sure to post it.
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